Modeling Newburg/Bundy/Dixon Hill areas

Discussion in 'Divisions' started by w3hodoug, Oct 15, 2007.

  1. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Confession time - how many of us are trying? Brad Sloan, Ken Wulfert, Don Wirth, "Old Dan", me? MMR Jan Jester (Deceased) also tried it with a layout that was written up in MR back in the early 80's. He cheated on Bundy with only a west bound switch and no wye.

    Doug Hughes,
    FMIG Founder, Ann Arbor, MI
     
  2. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Doug

    Count me in! Been working on a Newburg theme layout for twenty years - so far it's only on paper. The existing layout is non-descript, mainly an oval with some Frisco features, which exists mainly just to run completed models.

    Attached are a couple of pics I found of the Newburg theatre - known for most of its life as the Lyric. Neat building - begs to be modeled. I believe Jan did one,

    Ken |-|
    Meteor910

    newburgtheater1920.jpg newburgtheater1925.jpg
     
  3. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I wish my Dad were still around or I knew someone who worked in Newburg during steam days that's still alive and alert who could tell me how things operated there. On freights, did they pull into the yards? Change power? Stop on the main and change crews/service the engine/line up helpers?? I know passenger power ran through and I'm reasonably sure freight power did too, but would like to know what the routine was there. Was there an inbound and outbound yard/section of the yard?
    Anybody got any good shots of the old (not modernized) depot and the wood roundhouse that I haven't seen yet?
    Jerry Hurt used to know a lot about Newburg, but I"ve lost track of him.
    I'd like to do a good representation of the place on a layout.
     
  4. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Don & others, somewhere in the basement are two cassette tapes made during two interviews I had with Frisco old timers - one with retired CEO Richard Grayson and the other with retired Eastern Division locomotive engineer Harry L. "Polecat" Hefflin. Both are now deceased. Both grew up in the Newburg area.

    I'll gladly make copies for any of you who want them. Send me your snail-mail address in an e-mail to w3ho@aol.comspam but remove the letters "spam".

    I've noted looking at who is on line with this site that a majority are spyware crawlers gathering data.

    Doug
     
  5. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I've been doing some web-searching on Newburg, MO - the "Valhalla of all Friscodom" in my book. Here are a few update shots of three of the local icons as they exist in 2007: the Houston House (best buttermilk biscuits and apple butter ever!), the Lyric Theatre, and the Frisco (ex NEO) cab SLSF 1111.

    Ken |-|
    Meteor910

    newburghoustonhouse2007.jpg newburgtheatre2007lyric.jpg slsfcab1111newburg2007.jpg
     
  6. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The Fort Leonard Wood Branch

    I recently went to the Google Earth Satellite photos web site and traced the branch line the entire 19.5 miles from Bundy to the warehouses at the fort. I doubt there's a single mile of straight track. It has more curves than any model railroad. There are at least two bridges (Little & Big Piney Rivers) and an impressive trestle (Bunk House).

    If only there was/is a higher traffic density, it would make an ideal prototype for a point-to-point model railroad. That wye at Bundy is tough (more in a later posting) in any scale larger than N due to the curve on the west side. Even using 18" radius in HO, the modeler can't reach over it. It begs for a peninsula approach, but then how to follow a mainline train without "running around the peninsula?"

    Brad Sloan was able to ride the branch along with the Motorcar folks back on the 13th. They evidently ride the branch line each year. Here's some related material from their web site. I'm sure there are also photos on the site somewhere.

    Doug
    >>>>>
    North American Railcar Operators Association

    http://www.narcoa.org/excursions/2007trips.htm

    October 13, 2007 - MO posted 02/15
    Ft. Leonard Wood Army Base
    First Iowa Division - Ft. Leonard Wood, Missouri Set on will be at 10:30am with a 12:00 noon departure. As you enter the fort from I-40, be in the left lane and pull into the inspection area by the security check point. You will have to go in the visitor center before proceeding through the vehicle check point. Have an early lunch or bring snacks along as there won't be a stop for lunch. We will make two trips on this 20-mile scenic line through the Ozarks to the connection with the BNSF at Bundy Junction. Due to security issues, everyone will need a picture ID, vehicle registration, proof of insurance, and be prepared for a vehicle inspection. Cost of this ride is $30. Motels are the Red Roof Inn (573-336-2510) and the Budget Inn (573-336-5212), all in the St. Robert - Waynesville area. This is a Narcoa-insured event and all Narcoa rules apply. Contact Carl Schneider at 515-967-5181 for information.
     
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  7. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    553_1111_Coal Empties.jpg
    Here's a photo of a coal drag leaving Chesapeake City Yard on the Severna Park MRC's layout. Note the caboose.

    Doug
     
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  8. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Attached is a diagram of my land grant in the Michigan basement. With 27" radius, I have about 72 squares with which to work.

    I've been puzzled by this layout design/track plan for over a year and have come up with few answers. If any of you have tips, I'd appreciate.

    Must-have LDE's are:

    Newburg
    Dixon
    Lebanon

    Nice-to-have LDE's are:

    Staging
    Bundy Junction
    Ft. Wood Branch
    Jerome/Arlington
    Dixon Hill along the bluff to the Hwy D cut and overpass
    Dixon Wye
    Crocker

    The thinking of today is a "G" shaped island with 2' shelves on each side of a center backdrop/divider to allow LDEs on each side without a view of the other side.

    Doug

    Michigan Basement.jpg
     
  9. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The problem with Bundy Jct/Ft. Wood

    Attached is a Google satellite view of Bundy Junction. In HO, the layout builder can't reach over the curve on the west side of the wye to work on the mainline or switch even using 18" radius.

    Bundy & the Ft. Wood branch, if done well, cries out for a devoted peninsula for the branch given a layout with west-to-the-left. West to the east messes with the mind and puts the aisle up on the bluffs for most of this route.

    Even the peninsula approach generates a run-around-the-peninsula problem to follow a mainline train.

    My approach (never got built) in Maryland was to have one of the two mainline switches accessible from the opposite side of a peninsula. It had another problem for the Ft. Wood branch. I had it tunnelling under the Gasconade River!

    That trackplan is also attached. I was working on Lebanon (upper deck) when I had to tear it all out to sell the house.

    My Lebanon fascination is detailed elsewhere here on Frisco.org: See http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?t=896

    Doug

    Bundy Google.jpg Bundy MD Layout.jpg
     
  10. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Doug - I was wondering what you had to do with your layout project when you sold the house. I imagine that was a bit frustrating after all the work you had in it.

    What did you make the SLSF 1111 cab from?

    Ken
     
  11. Brad Slone

    Brad Slone Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Bundy does present a problem, although I have yet to start putting ink to paper on a design as my square footage as yet to be defined. I am considering dealing with the problem by somehow utilizing a "mushroom" style layout that would allow one to negotiate under the legs without the need for a duck under. I have seen other layouts that have used this system, wether it will work for my application remains to be seen.

    Brad
     
  12. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I'm going to try and design Bundy at one end of the layout and use it to take the line over into the workshop and a staging/storage area. I'll make it a run through staging yard and take it to the other end of the basement and rejoin the layout some way or another. Could say it was Cuba and the branch, but 4500s would look strange coming off the Salem Branch. I'd like to work a junction into the scheme of things, even though it would not be correct, but hey I like interlocking towers and rodwork, it's my basement, etc.
    I don't like multilevel layouts and helixes, so those won't be in the plans.
     
  13. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Ken, I spent a full weekend - both nights until after midnight - filling up a dumpster. It was sad.

    The 1111 caboose was a kit bash - starting with the MDC caboose, which gave me the underframe and basic box. I wrote it up in one of he FMIG newletters, which you should have.

    I think I even got a ribbon award for it in a long-ago NMRA contest.

    All styrene. I even made the ladders from styrene and brass wire.

    That was back in the days before I was playing trumpet every night.

    Doug
     
  14. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    slsfcab1111_hopper.jpg
    Regarding your SLSF 1111 cab ..... here's a view of the real thing similar to the view you posted of your model.

    I'll look in my old FMIG's for your article.

    Ken
     
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  15. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    WOW! That's neat.

    Look in one of Charlie's issues - the one with all the caboose modeling articles.
     
  16. Midmo1

    Midmo1 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Hi guys....
    Thanx for the link Doug...I found it...
    When I modeled the sub, I had the luxury of a 2 1/2 car garage to do it in (dont have that now)...I ran the layout around most of the room exceot for one overhead door and the entrance door....Bundy Jct was a wye..and ran off onto a peninsula to Ft.Wood...and dead ended like the prototype..
    I had small stagers at each end....with 3 or 4 tracks to make up trains.....
    I had 19 locomotives 6 of which were steam (1 4-8-2)..the rest were diesels...F's, E's..Gp's and a couple of SW's...all black and yellow except for the e units, of course....most of it I custom painted myself...a few of the freight cars were factory painted....My H/W cars were blue and white (Meteor) and the s/l cars were stainless and red.(I painted those and made the decals for them myself)...one of you guys may have bought them on ebay when I sold ALL OF IT...even all my paperwork, books etc...gone.....so, guys if you have a FRISCO layout goin...be happy with what you have and improve on it......but there are plans for a new house on the horizon....who knows...but for now i'm in a mobile home in Columbia MO....modeling the WABASH Columbia branch.....happy holidays guys!!!

    Ted
    Mid-MO Waycar
     
  17. jbloch

    jbloch Member

    I grew up in Rolla--my friends and I rode the E8 passenger line there and back many times (around 25 cents at the time in the 60's as I recall)--at any rate, at that time there was a turntable in place in the Newburg yard--though I don't think it was in use by that time. I've thought also about modelling that yard (would be fairly space consuming as discussed above--at least as the yard appeared in the 60's)--any chance there's any aerial shots of the yard around that time?--unfortunately Google Earth doesn't time travel very well.

    Jim
     
  18. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

  19. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Ted, if you still have a copy of your track plan, please scan it and post it here for more ideas. We'd especially like to see how you did Newburg and Bundy/Ft. Wood.

    I think mine might have worked if we'd have stayed in that Annapolis basement cover.

    Good luck on the house acquisition.

    Doug

     
  20. Midmo1

    Midmo1 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Evenin'
    I dont have a plan layin around...it probabaly went away with all the other stuff..the layout was basically a shelf layout..18" to 2 ' from the walls....except for the ends...it was a long distorted dogbone..Bundy was appx near the center...like the prototype (betewee Rolla and Lebanon) basically a big long "L" with loops at each end...it also had a over/under loop near the center (DIXON)..where I could add a little scenery..mabey when I get time...I could re-draw it from scratch and have the wife scan it...then I'll put it on....by the way...I've got a nice Frisco caboose on ebay...#1122...customized std Athearn...if anyones' interested..
    Thanx

    Ted
    Mid-MO Waycar
     

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