Modeling Newburg/Bundy/Dixon Hill areas

Discussion in 'Divisions' started by w3hodoug, Oct 15, 2007.

  1. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Ted - Considered me tickled that there is another Frisco Folk in Columbia!

    A bit OT - but are you of the group that will occasionally have the line of motorcars on the COLT RR (ex-WAB) by Vandiver across from Lee's Famous Chicken?
     
  2. Midmo1

    Midmo1 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Hi Chris...
    I was gonna contact you through the forum...I appologize for being busy..
    Nope..I wish...but I'm going to the next MO railfans meeting in Jan....Man, we need a RR museum here....Or a Model RR club....OR SOMETHING!!!
    Not a lotta trains here in mid MO....I'm originally from Chicago...so I'm spoiled...
    ....and I dont remember the quote...I didnt put it up...I do love the Frisco....its hard to do
    the Rolla/Lebanon sub in a 9X13 room...even the Columbia branch is lil compressed...
    Ted
     
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  3. Midmo1

    Midmo1 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Well guys...I scanned the layout sketch....but it would not upload
    I'll work on it..

    Thanx for your patience

    Ted
    Mid-MO Waycar
     
  4. Midmo1

    Midmo1 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Hi
    I think I got my pax cars confused....The h/w blue and white were Firefly(?)...red and stainless were the Meteor...I think thats right....but you guys knew that...I cant get my layout sketch to upload...I'll just take a picture of it and do it that way...now to find the sketch....

    Ted
     
  5. bcs123

    bcs123 Member

    this thread hasnt been posted in in a while but i currently reside just outside newburg and would love to see some pic's of your interpratations of how the yard and roundhouse looked like back then..
     
  6. Midmo1

    Midmo1 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Oh Geez...
    By the time I got to Missouri
    and even found Newburg, that was already gone...
    I just set the yards and roundhouse where they would
    be far enough apart but logistically beneficial...

    Ted
    midmo
     
  7. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I'm not sure how this is going to work out, but it's a track map of Newburg from 1918. Not much changed between then and the 1940s.

    I stitched this together from three different scans of a reduction of the orginal, sorta like a third cousin twice removed.

    Newburg Track Mapr1918.jpg
     
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  8. bcs123

    bcs123 Member

    thats a very good job stitching that together.. came out just fine.... so i dont know if you all heard but some of the people in newburg got together and formed a not for profit group and are making a park where the roundhouse and all that used to be... they even tracked down the original turntable and are trying to get it back... to put back in the whole where it was back then... most of the old foundations are still there but were covered in brush just 3 days ago but they got a crawler to go in and cleare all the brush to expose the foundations... looks pretty cool....
     
  9. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Was the old sofa still in the Newburg turntable pit? There was one in there for many years that had been discarded long ago!

    Ken
     
  10. bcs123

    bcs123 Member

    they havent started diging them out yet they just got the brush cleared off for now then they will be digging them out later as time allows
     
  11. Randy Lockett

    Randy Lockett Frisco Hi Railer

    For any of you interested in life in Newberg in the late sixties-early seventies, I was a brakeman-Xtra conductor running out of Lindenwood yards and the turn around was Newberg. I had many a nights staying in the Houston house, eating the famous dinners that Hellen Houston and her staff prepard there.

    Newberg at that time had the Wilson Sporting Goods Manufacturing plant there that employeed many of the town folk. With Rolla just up the hill, Newberg was a little town in the "dale" . There was a very long grade out of Newberg heading East and we did not get our speed up till we climbed out of the valley.

    I have so many stories that I would like to put them in a book. I was a young man (18 yrs old) when I started. The Viet Nam war was in full swing and I couldn't figgure why I was not drafted, being 1A. Later I learned that because I was in a potential "defense job" working for the railroad, we could be conscripted by the government at any time and that is why we were not drafted. I worked with a lot of young guys my age and we were replacing many "old heads" that were retiring. With a lot of our age group being drafted and enlisting and heading off to war, we were a special commodity.

    I was very curious about the history of the old timers and sat many an evening listening to their stories. Newberg did have a yard and a turntable. The steam days were very busy, especially during and right after WWII. With Fort Leonardwood vey near (West of Newberg), there was so much activity with the troop trains, military eqipment being shipped in and out, it was a very busy time for the inhabitants of Newberg.

    I had the pleasure of meeting Dick Grayson, the president of Frisco at the time, as we would get the No.1 business car ready and attaching it to our West bound train. Usually the 437 as it was a hot shot that rarely saw a siding for East bound trains. He was a very nice, outgoing man who would take a group of his peers for a trip to Springfield, the new headquarters, as the Frisco building downtown St. Louis was replaced with facilities in Springfield. We also lost our wonderful Frisco Hospital in St. Louis. Costs, even back then, were climbing and managment decided to shut down the hospital and we were seen by our local doctors and hospitals, all paid for by Frisco.

    I had my son at St. Johns Hospital in St. Louis. My cost for his delivery and my wifes 4 day stay......$7.00! That was for the baby pictures and the phone in her room. All other costs were covered. We were so blessed with great insurance.

    I have many experiences in Newberg. We worked some locals out of there, along with Cuba, Mo. Normally work was for the "new" lead mines in Viburnum, Mo. At that time, Frisco had built 38 miles of new rail line into The St. Jo Lead Mines near Viburnum. This was the largest expansion of rail road at that time, since all the railroads were doing at that time was maintaining the old lines. It was the first experience with concrete ties and ribbon rail for the Frisco in the Eastern Division. The only problem that the civil engineers had with this area was the unknown factor of dealing with very unstable fill material. Missouri clay was NOT a good material to build rail line on. We had so many slow orders because of the shifting rail bed, and the section gang was always out there re-grading and repairing the road bed.
    Talking about very rustic and in some places, in-accessible country side. Rolling hills, Pin Oak trees, Black Bear, Bob Cats, Puma, and Deer. Lots and lots of deer. I wasn't a deer hunter, but I sure could have led a hunting party to some of the richest game areas in Missouri.

    But it was very profitable for the Frisco to get the ore business that it paid for the hassle. I was saddened to hear that later, St. Jo Lead shut down the mines. I have always wondered what ever happened to that spur.

    I talked with many an old head in Newberg telling me their experiences of work in and around Newberg. It was a bustling town. Especially dear to me was talking to Hellen Houston. She was very elderly at the time and still running the Hotel/resturant. She related to me how her Father, after the Civil War, came to Newberg and built the hotel, as the railroad needed a place for the crews to stay waiting for their Eastbound trains. They always had hot meals up till 8:30PM, and Sunday dinners served all day. People would drive for miles to come and eat at the Houston House. Hellen served a tin full of small dinner rolls or buttermilk biscuts with each meal. At that age, I ate every time that I came to Newberg at the Houston House.

    I do not have to much time to devote to this web site, but I need to get on line and see if there are any other guys that I worked with who frequent the site that I can re-connect with.

     
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  12. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Randy:

    Enjoyed your anecdotal post. Thanks for taking the time to share it.

    Andre Ming
     
  13. friscobob

    friscobob Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Doug,

    I remember that caboose in the FMIG newsletters- I've been wanting to build one to go with an S2 I have in storage. Many moons ago, I modeled the Miami Branch, and that crummy would look great sitting in Miami.
     
  14. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Don, both Jerry (father) and Steve (son) Hurt are here on frisco.org. Let me know if you need Jerry's e mail address. He's in Columbus, OH.
     
  15. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Newburg action

    Don and others, Mr. Grayson mentioned, during that interview I did with him, that the WWII era traffic was so heavy that Lindenwood crews couldn't do all the classification. They'd just send WB cars to Newburg and have the trains classified there.

    My guess is that later Newburg crews were busy making up/breaking up locals 41, 42, 43, 44 and the Ft. Wood turns. There was also a passenger car yard north of the main that would require a little switching.

    Have fun Don. 73
     
  16. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Newburg Jester at Valley Forge_1.JPG Newburg Jester at Valley Forge_2.JPG Newburg Jester at Valley Forge_3.JPG Newburg Jester at Valley Forge_4.JPG
    Jan Jester's HO Newburg Station

    Jan Jester, MMR (deceased) entered his styrene model in the Valley Forge Express 1993 NMRA National Convention. These were taken by me and appeared in an old issue of FMIG LINES. Jan wasn't there - he was working on Shri Lanka building a VOA transmitter. The civil war there caused him to come home to the USA prior to project completion.
     
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  17. Terry

    Terry Terry La France

    Re: The Fort Leonard Wood Branch


    I got to ride the line with the crew before I left there in '99. It was quite impressive and fun. What you can't see from Google Earth are the 2% grades.
     
  18. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    I REALLY do need to sit down at the drawing board or PC and design a Ft. Wood RR to fit my ample basement space.
     
  19. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Doug,
    As I've perused the FMIG Lines Newsletters (currently indexing #116 - almost done!) and the history of your DJ&H, I eagerly anticipate watching a Ft. Wood line pan out.

    What is the size of the land grant?

    I'm in the midst of clearing out my basement, climate controlled layout space in the hopes of laying benchwork and track over the Christmas break.

    Best Regards,
     
  20. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: The Fort Leonard Wood Branch

    Micro-trains may be making the modeling of Ft. Wood easier for us. They already have WW II/Korea-era structures in N (http://www.micro-trains.com/pl-NKits.php) and Z scale as laser kits and promise a similar line in HO. Go the the Ft. Wood Museum to see the prototype structures preserved. Back in 1940, one of those barracks was completed every 45 minutes.
    Doug
     

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