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Frisco Faster Freight - Avoid Excessive Speed - In The Interest Of Our National Defense - 1/12/1942

Discussion in 'Freight Operations' started by frisco1522, Mar 27, 2012.

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  1. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    This is a bit hard to read, but self explanatory.

    From some of my Dad's old files.

    From the wayback machine.
     

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  2. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Don,

    Neat letter! "Frisco Faster Freight" indeed.

    I'm having trouble reading the date year - is it 1942? 1943? 1948?

    I'm guessing 1943 - when I was 12 days old.

    I remember hearing the roar of those Frisco freights going by! :)

    Ken
     
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  3. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Jan 12, 1942.

    Are you reading it on an I Phone or something small?
     
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  4. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Nope - on my Samsung PC monitor.

    The last digit in the date is hard to read - between a 2, 3, or 8.

    K
     
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  5. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    No mere slogan.

    Thank you Mr. Peabody.
     
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  6. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I think Best Buy and Sam's Club have sales going on monitors.

    Anyone else having trouble reading it?
     
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  7. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    No problem reading the letter at all - just the last digit in the date year.

    K
     
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  8. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    Ken,

    Your mouse should display a magnifying glass icon. Left click and it should make the page bigger.

    BTW it's 1942.

    Ethan
     
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  9. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I'll let you all in on a secret.

    Right-click on the thumbnail, then select Open Link in New Tab (or New Window). Once the image downloads, then click on the image for full-resolution viewing.

    This is what Ethan is referring to.
     
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  10. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    My goodness, sorry I asked the simple question.

    I agree it's a "2".

    1942 - before my time!

    K
     
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  11. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    You should be sorry.

    You'd better get your act together.

    That's what happens when you have diesel exhaust around you all the time.
     
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  12. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Awesome piece of history!

    1942.

    Thank you for sharing.
     
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  13. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I always hold my breath when a diesel passes - mainly because it is such an impressive machine.

    K
     
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  14. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Don,

    With your blessing, a copy of this will find it's way onto the crew bulletin board of our little 1:87 slice of Frisco Heaven, c. 1943.

    I don't know if this is the place to ask the question, but since it's related to the document and freight operations, did this really slow the trains town?

    How in the world were the powers that be able to monitor each and every train, especially on slough of trains on the Eastern Division?

    I don't believe that locomotives were attached with speed records.

    Best Regards,
     
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  15. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    Frisco steam locomotives did not have speed recorders, but they all did have speedometers in the cab usually driven off of the rear engineer's side driving wheel next to the cab.

    Look for a little wheel riding on the driver thread at the top.
     
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  16. Joseph Toth

    Joseph Toth Member

    Ballast scorchers couldn´t read, they just poured on the steam!

    The railroaders in the USA during WWII did a great job helping win the war and this was when there were very few roller bearing trucks, just brass journals and oil waste, telegraphs in every depot instead of computers and foundations where the depot used to be like today.

    ...and no BNSF!

    Joe Toth
     
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  17. mark

    mark Staff Member Staff Member

    Chris,

    One way to monitor train speeds is by checking the times entered on a dispatcher's train sheet.

    The distances between stations is known, so the speed calculation of miles per hour is easy.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
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  18. JamesP

    JamesP James Pekarek

    Don,

    This is great - thanks for sharing it with us.

    Following Chris' lead, I have printed off a copy and posted it on the bulletin board in the Northview depot for all N&F hogheads to see.
     
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  19. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Several Frisco locomotive classes, 1060-class, 1350-class, 4200-class, 4300-class, 4400-class, and 4500-class, were equipped with a loco valve pilot.

    The devices were used to help the engine driver keep things hooked-up properly. A recorder-speedometer, which showed and recorded the locomotive's speed and cut-off, was a part of the valve pilot's equipment, which was placed in the cab.

    At the far right of this image the recorder-speedometer can be seen on 4516. Two needles, one for speed and one for cut-off can be seen vaguely.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11929&d=1287281722

    The valve-pilot cam box was located on the right side of the locomotive, and was used to help set the cut-off.

    Frisco 4516. http://www.frisco.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11930&d=1287281722

    The valve pilot's speed wheel was also placed on the right side of the locomotive.

    Frisco 4516. http://www.frisco.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=11931&d=1287281722

    It is interesting that the letter doesn't mention passenger operations.
     
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  20. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    The placement of the speed recording instrument appears to be directly in front of the engineer.

    The angle of photo #1 suggests the recorder's placement allowed the fireman to see it as well. If so, it is very astute design.

    Do I have that correct?

    I wonder how hard it was for Mr. Dierssen to write down those words. In those days, seniority put him in that position, doubtlessly making him older and wiser, so it may not have been that hard after all.

    I keep learning that hurrying through a task, makes it take longer.

    George Nelson
     
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    WindsorSpring, Mar 30, 2012
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