Bridge Paint Colors, Liveries Or Schemes - Inquiry

Discussion in 'Bridges' started by FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018), Feb 15, 2012.

  1. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    Last weekend at the Wichita Train Show I purchased one of the beautiful Exactrail 72' Steel Deck Plate Girder Bridges.

    The bridges are available in either an early or late version in either silver or black. The early version features simulated wood side walkways, wood posts and guard rails. The more modern or late version features simulated metal grate side walkways, steel post and cable guard rails.

    Without even thinking twice, I bought the early version in black. Upon arriving home, my copy of Frisco in Color just happened to be sitting on my desk. Lo and behold the cover shot had a similar bridge in silver.

    This leads to the question, was there a standard color and was it indeed silver?

    Below is a picture of the bridge on the proposed new section of my railroad showing it sitting on long out of production Thomas Yorke bridge abutments that I intend to use.

    The actual location of the prototype is in Fredonia, KS.

    Edit 1/29/2024: Added narrative explaining the differences between the early and late versions of the Exactrail bridges.
    MKD
     

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  2. Rick McClellan

    Rick McClellan 2009 Engineer of the Year

    I have photos of steel bridges in both black and silver.

    Not sure there was a standard.

    Not sure why they went with either color in a given situation either.

    Guess I'm not much help.
     
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  3. FriscoGeorge

    FriscoGeorge Frisco Employee

    Here is a photo of Frisco E8A 2017 pulling a mail train over the steel girder bridge just east of the oil tanks at Valley Park.

    The bridge is silver and the Frisco motto is "Get It Going Frisco" in black.

    I have also seen the black version used in downtown St. Louis near Soulard with the "Ship It On The Frisco" motto in white, so I don't think Frisco had a "standard" as to color or logo.

    Here is the photo taken in either 1965 or 1966.

    George

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  4. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    George,

    That picture of E8A SLSF 2017 is on the bridge over Landsdowne Avenue in the Shrewsbury, MO.

    This is bridge 7.9 on the St. Louis Subdivision. The train is headed south down the St. Louis and Chaffee Subdivisions of the River Division to Memphis, TN.

    The gasometer natural gas storage tanks were in St. Louis just west of Lindenwood Yard, MP 7.1 and Southeastern Junction, MP 7.3.

    Southeastern Junction is where the St, Louis Subdivision turned south, from the Rolla Subdivision that went southwest toward Springfield.

    Valley Park, MP 17.9, is on the Rolla Subdivision in western St. Louis County.

    That picture is a Mike Condren photo.

    http://condrenrails.com/Frisco/Frisco Diesels/E8-2017.html

    The same bridge can be seen in an earlier version.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=2758&d=1142918651

    More pictures of the same bridge.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?1467-Lansdowne-Ave-Shrewsbury-MO&highlight=shrewsbury+bridge

    And of the Watson Road overpass.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?1553-Watson-Road-Shrewsbury-MO&highlight=shrewsbury+bridge

    More variety of bridges.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?301-Bridges-misc

    In answer to Bob's question, I believe that bridges were originally painted black, then painted silver later to enhance visibility of any signage that might be placed on them.

    The above bridge is a good example.
     
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  5. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    That would make a fun diorama project.

    Will it represent a newer bridge or perhaps older with lots of weathering?

    Silver with heavy weathering and bird nests would be very cool. :)
     
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  6. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    My father told me years ago, that the Frisco bridges were painted silver, but during WWII they were all painted black to protect them.

    After the war, they started to paint them silver again as they needed painting.
     
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  7. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    The two bridges over I-270 here in Kirkwood really need painting!

    They look terrible, and it still says Frisco Ry on the abutments.

    The MP (UP) bridge over I-270 just to the north looks pretty good.

    Come on BNSF! (Buffet Not Spending Funds?)

    Ken
     
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  8. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson

    There might be something to the WWII post.

    Most old bridges are black and then painted silver. I would not expect to see much painting in the future.

    While serving on the standards committee with BNSF it was determined that it does nothing to prolong the life of a bridge.

    I know you paint guys are out there, and it does not look as good, but it's labor intensive and according to some, does no good.

    Bill Jackson
     
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  9. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Does no mechanical good - agree.

    But the I-270 bridges here look like crap, and hundreds of thousands of people ride under them every day.

    The MP/UP just up the road looks a lot better.

    If I were Mr. Buffet, since he is in to social issues these days, I would have them paint the darn bridges for public relations benefit.

    Heck Warren, it's a deduction!

    K
     
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  10. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson

    Well you never know!

    Lots of things have gone the way. It is painful cabooses, depots, and the lot!

    I have seen a lot of it, not to mention, branch lines.

    Bill Jackson
     
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