Photos of Short Line Boxcars (QA&P, AT&N, NEO, etc.)

Discussion in 'Boxcars' started by FriscoCharlie, Nov 20, 2008.

  1. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    I'm working on a project and I am wondering if there are any photos of QA&P, AT&N, NEO boxcars, etc.?

    I've looked through my extensive collection of Frisco-related books and searched the net to no avail.

    Help is appreciated.

  2. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

  3. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    That's a good gondola photo.

    I can't find any boxcar photos in Don Hofsommer's book and I don't have the other one. Is it available for sale anywhere?

  4. I flipped through my copy of Hofsommer's book. Didn't find any large-format boxcar photos, but on p. 132 there is a posed postwar publicity photo of decapod 1620 and two QA&P boxcars on a freshly-painted QA&P girder bridge. Hofsommer generally focuses on the business history of the line.

    Charles C. Britton's "The Quanah Route", published by Joed Books in 1990, contains a smaller version of the photo mentioned above, plus other rolling stock photos including tank car no. 310 and boxcar no 505, ca 1946, and a modern insulated boxcar, along with many other photos of locomotives, cabooses, etc. The publisher's address printed in the book, [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]P.O. Box 1322, Fort Collins 80522, might or might not still be good. [/FONT][/FONT]If you can't locate a copy for sale, you might try asking your local library about interlibrary loan. Many of these photos are credited to Robert W. Richardson, and apparently housed at the Colorado Railroad Museum. Others are attributed to the DeGolyer Collection at Southern Methodist University. Both repositories might be a source for further research.

    Art Griffin, who makes model railroad decals based on historic builders' photographs, has a QA&P decal set. You could contact him for availability of the decals and the photograph they're based on. See .

    A search of WorldCat, a database of library holdings, [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]indicates that Texas Tech University has two photograph collections which would be of interest:

    [/FONT](1) Photograph collection, 1895-1974. [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Quanah, Acme, and Pacific Railway Company.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]1895-1974[/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]English [​IMG] Visual Material : Picture 212 copy prints : b&w ; 4 x 5 in. 216 copy negatives : b&w ; 4 x 5 in. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Consists of photographs of Quanah, Acme, and Pacific Railroad trains, depots, and tracks (1895-1954; 1974 and undated). Bulks with photographs of depots and tracks (1920-1950 and undated). Also contains a photograph of the headquarters house on the Matador Ranch (undated); street scenes in Paducah, Texas (1896); and agricultural scenes (undated).[/FONT]

    (2) Photograph collection, 1883-1961.[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Matador Land and Cattle Company.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]1883-1961[/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]English [​IMG] Visual Material : Picture 489 photo prints : b&w. 253 copy negatives : b&w. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Consists of photographs of the people, places and livestock on the Matador Ranch in West Texas (1883-1961). Includes photographs of a mail wagon (1900), the community Christmas tree in Dickens, Texas (1900), a steer sale in Denver, Colorado and the Quannah, Acme and Pacific Railway.[/FONT]

    You would have to contact Texas Tech's library for further information on these.

    The Barriger Collection at the University of Missouri at St. Louis also has an extensive collection of carbuilders' photographs, mostly from the files of American Car & Foundry (ACF). See , and particularly . They may have builders' photos of cars built for the QA&P. Again, you would have to contact them since I don't see any readily available index of their archival holdings.

    A couple of model railroad manufacturers have released mass-produced QA&P boxcars in HO scale. I have not verified the accuracy of their paint schemes. Athearn/Horizon/Roundhouse plans to release a QA&P ready-to-run 36-foot wooden trussrod boxcar next year:'+Box&CatID=THRF . And the Show Me Model Railroad Company did a run of Athearn woodsided boxcars painted for the QA&P: .

    Bradley A. Scott
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  5. Addendum: Trains Magazine published an article in February 1961 entitled "Quanah Means Quick". I have no way of knowing whether it included any photographs; perhaps someone with an extensive collection of back issues could supply further information.
  6. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

    An earlier 1952 QA&P article was copied, with permission, in FMIG Newsletter 39, but boxcar photos weren't included. Doug
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  7. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Thanks for all of the good information guys. I imagine all of those models are HO.

    I'm particularly looking for their 40' boxcar paint scheme.

    With all of the great railroad photos out there, I hope these are not lost to history. :(

  8. Soo2408

    Soo2408 Member

    Hello Forum:

    In regards to the Trains February 1961 article on the Quanah Route the following photos are part of the article:

    1. Time Freight 30 passes through landscape. Three Geeps on point. Rock Island boxcar, Great Northern boxcar, NP boxcar and three tank cars all get in the shot.

    2. Time Freight 30 near Paducah. Shows Frisco caboose #231 and a TTX flat with some empty car carriers loaded.

    3. Floydada. ATSF F's nose is in the shot and the Geeps are switching. Fairly clear view of Frisco 507 and GN boxcar #5553.

    4. Roster shot of QA&P 4-4-0 #187 pulling into Quanah-1948.

    5. Roster shot of QA&P Ten-Wheeler #723.

    6. Roster shot of QA&P Decapod #1617 at Quanah-1950.

    Good photos, but none of QA&P boxcars, etc.

    WF TX
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  9. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Supporter

    There's a QA&P box car on the dust jacket (also inside) of the Nick Molo Frisco/Katy book.

  10. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    Page 173 of the Hoffsomer Book has a photo of a car from the same series as the one in Nick Molo's book. Note, these are GARX cars leased to the QAP (the Frisco had some on it's books as well).

    Page 119 of McCall and Schultz's "Frisco Southwest" has a 1950 photo of a wood sheathed boxcar (QAP 531) a tank car (QAP 320) and a caboose (QAP 49).

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  11. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    I've seen the yellow GARX boxcar.. I'm looking for something more like this but from the 1940's or 1950's:

  12. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Thanks... I'll look at that when I get home then.

  13. That's a beautiful postcard shot with the long freight train!

    Still, I wonder about the QA&P boxcar in the shot. That part of the photo looks like it might have been retouched, possibly as part of the QA&P's famously aggressive advertising and promotional efforts.

    Bradley A. Scott
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  14. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Yes it does look that way. Also I saw the photo(s) in Frisco Southwest.

    Surely they had standard 40' boxcars in the 40's and 50's though?!?!?

  15. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    Perhaps, but maybe not.

    Most of the photos I have seen of QA&P equipment have actually been work cars, and almost all of those were converted from boxcars similar in design to the one in Frisco Southwest.

    The Hoffsommer book leads me to believe that the Frisco supplied most of the equipment used on the line. The Frisco certainly supplied the locomotives (The QA&P didn't own any locomotives by the 1930s). Also, the specially equipped flatcars the QA&P used for hauling Gypsum board from the plants in Acme were supplied by the Frisco (and carried SLSF markings - there are pictures of at least one of these in the book).

    The answer to this question can be found, if someone has access to an equipment register from the time period in question.

  16. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    True but how are we going to find that? :(:eek::p
  17. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Charlie & All -
    Not sure if this will help, but here is the QAP listing from the 1943 Official Railway Equipment Register (reprinted).

    Hope this helps to remove some of the shroud of mystery!

    Best Regards,

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  18. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter


    Yes, that's great! Now, if you can pull out some photos..... ;)

  19. pbender

    pbender Member Supporter

    Take a look at the notes on the OER Page Chris posted. In particular, the first note in the second column:
    "Freight cars owned are not used in interchange service."

    So, at least in July 1942, which is the date on the OER page Chris posted, The QA&P did not own any cars which were used in interchange service. We'll need an OER from a later date to get a better picture of the situation in the late 1940s and the 1950s.

  20. FriscoCharlie

    FriscoCharlie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    I finally found this from Sunshine Kits (which I had not seen before).

    It's some good information. I would still like to see any QA&P boxcar photos if they exist.


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