Motive Power Suggestions for a Protolanced QA&P

Discussion in 'Freelance' started by drdfarms, Jul 10, 2019.

  1. drdfarms

    drdfarms Member

    Hi folks, I’m considering modeling a protolanced version of the QA&P set in the steam to diesel transition era. I would be modeling the railroad as if it had been built all the way to El Paso, and will serve as a fast moving bridge route as was originally intended.

    I would like some suggestions on what you guys think the QA&P would’ve used if it had grown to this size, especially in terms of steam power. What would they have probably used if they weren’t as closely affiliated with the Frisco? And if the Frisco influence had been the same as was in actual history, what then would they have likely used on this bigger system? What about diesels? I know the real QA&P bought some GP7s, so that would be a for sure thing to model.

    I’m guessing there would be a lot of fast freight operations on the line, as I’ve read it was intended to be a quick cutoff route for traffic between the Pacific Coast and the Midwestern gateways. I also read they had a named passenger train, so I would want to include my own version of that somehow. I’m still learning about the QA&P so I’d love to have any info you could offer.

    Thanks for any help!

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  2. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    Hi Dakota
    You might try the search engine (upper right), type in QA&P, or Quanah Acme & Pacific, I think you will be surprised at the amount of info.

    If you look around on this site, you will see there are a few of us that protolance the QA&P. I elected to stay more contemporary in my modeling efforts.
    I was born in Quanah but grew up along the ROW around Swearingen on a dairy farm. My Grand Father was a Locomotive Engineer on the "Q". The RR would likely only have survived from bridge traffic, of which the vast majority would have (like it did), come from the SL-SF. So, the thought of the Q being more independent is cool, but not likely. But hey its your RR right? You suggestion does raise a possibility though. Consider that if the Q/SLSF built towards El Paso, and the T&P perhaps out of Odessa or Pecos built towards the Q, there would perhaps have been a larger SP/T&P presence/influence. So that may be some additional possibilities. My particular idea was there was a connection at Paducah that went into Lubbock then on towards El Paso, so they still have that westward ATSF connection.
    A few have pondered this very thing, for many years. It never ceases to amaze me, how many people model or think of modeling the QA&P, I mean for such a tiny RR it sure gets its share of attention.
  3. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    The mighty Wizard of QA&P has spoken. You’re certainly asking in the right place and hearing from the right person (among others) on this particular subject!
  4. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    Yer killin me Jim, just killin me :D:D:D
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  5. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

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  6. drdfarms

    drdfarms Member

    Thanks for the useful info! My interest of the QA&P comes from family vacations from my home in Northeast Texas to Colorado when I was a kid. We always took US 287 and Quanah was a familiar name. Later on I came across an article and proposed trackplan for a QA&P layout in a Model Railroader issue. It immediately caught my attention and I’ve been interested ever since. I just ordered a copy of The Quanah Route by Don Hofsommer to hopefully get a more in depth look.

    Just to share some of my thoughts: I’m thinking of modeling the QA&P with Frisco influence sort of in the style of the Cotton Belt/Southern Pacific relationship. The Cotton Belt was distinctive in it’s motive power until diesels started to take over. Their first FT diesels had their own gray and yellow paint scheme, and I think there were some Baldwin switchers with a yellow and black scheme. After that though, things began to show up in SP colors with Cotton Belt lettering.

    This seems to be a good way to portray the QA&P as having some independence, but still least in my mind. The steam locomotives still in service will have their own unique details specific to the Quanah. Diesels will be in the Frisco-styled QA&P sceheme that the prototype had. This will also save me the headache of trying to design a plausible scheme and heralds.

    I’m thinking the final stand of steam on the protolanced Quanah may be either 4-8-4s or even a modified Nickel Plate-style 2-8-4 (though a 2-8-4 just sounds strange west of the Mississippi). Doesn’t seem like there would be all that many secondary lines, so most smaller steam locomotives on these may have been replaced by diesels early on. Maybe a few of the 2-10-0 Russian Decapods might remain like the real QA&P had. These seem to be a good choice for lighter built lines. I may include a handful of modernized 2-8-2s on the mainline for way freights and such. These would have larger tenders than when originally delivered and other details to make them look upgraded. All steam locomotives will be oil burners. Whatever passenger service left by this time may be handled by a loan passenger equipped GP7 or diesel rail car?

    Thanks again!
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2019

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