Historic Depot Paint Colors, Paint Liveries Or Paint Schemes - Exterior And Interior - Inquiry

Discussion in 'General' started by Bradley A. Scott, Jun 27, 2006.

  1. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I always just used Floquil reefer gray and white trim.

    On earlier structures like my Newburg, MO depots reefer gray and dark gray auto primer.
     
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  2. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    Most depot roofs that I have seen were green asphalt shingles.

    I do not know of any that were painted green.

    But I am sure there is always an exception.
     
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  3. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Saw this thread has been revived.

    Anyone know what colors were used when the depots were originally built during the 1880s?

    Many depot pictures from that era appear to be a dark color, oxide red?

    There were also some white or gray ones in the 1890s.

    Any information would be appreciated.

    Thanks.

    Andre
     
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  4. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    While it is a little beyond the standard, small-town depot, I recently posted a link that includes a nice interior photograph of the old Frisco passenger depot in Cape Girardeau, MO.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?720-Cape-Girardeau-MO&p=45947#post45947

    However, for the "standard" Frisco, I believe the photographs that Karl has posted of the Frederick, OK depot best represent what most towns would have seen.

    I recall the interior of Lee Chronister's old depot in Chaffee, MO being the same color.

    Best Regards,
     
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  5. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Tom,

    I am pretty confident I read somewhere that a type of green fire-resistant paint was applied to depot roofs at some point.

    However, I have tried searching online and even have reviewed a vintage 1953 "Fire Insurance Inspection and Underwriting" guide that I have at work, and cannot locate anything that would confirm.

    Some of the 1906 Standard Depot plans that Karl has posted indicate wood shingles. For instance see the following.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=10317&d=1266448593)

    I cannot zoom in enough to read the print, but if wood shingles adjacent to steam-burning locomotives were the case, I would suspect that it would be prudent to slather a fire-resistant/retardant paint on, as a loss prevention measure.

    If this is the case, the question still remains, why green?

    Best Regards,
     
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  6. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Green is both light and heat reflecting, yet softer and easier than white to individuals.

    Maintenance is also easier.
     
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  7. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Some additional information from "Standard Depots of the Southern Division" by Ron Williams, as published in Frisco Modelers Information Group (FMIG) Newsletter #31, September 1981:

    "...most of the depots were originally 'shingles.' I cannot tell you what type of material was used, but making some assumptions I would say that depending on the era, they would range from wood to asphalt to tile.

    We know that certain depots in other parts of the system used tin and tile in addition to other materials. Tile roofs became popular in the late 1920s when several depots underwent heavy renovation which included stuccoing the exteriors to reflect the Santa Fe's influence.

    Later, based on pictures we have seen, roofs were repaired using rolled or tar paper material. No doubt for economy reasons.

    As to colors used, Arthur Johnson, recently retired Frisco employee, who has provided those excellent roster shots of steam locomotives, tells me most depots are gray with either white or dark green trim. You might like to try Floquil's SP Lettering Gray, white or Pullman or Brunswick Green. The Pullman is probably more suitable since Arthur says it was very similar to the passenger cars."


    Best Regards,
     
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  8. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    I have been using the pictures above as a guide and have been experimenting with Americana Acrylic Paint found in Hobby Lobby, Michaels, or on-line at various retailers and Amazon.com.

    I have found so far that DA281 Slate Green is very, very close in comparison.

    Edit: Oops. Got the interior and exterior threads confused. This post actually belongs in the interior thread.
     
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  9. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Dang,

    If that depot green is not the most difficult shade of green to match.

    I will keep trying.
     
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  10. Ishmael

    Ishmael Member

    When I bought my house in 1963, there was a Frisco depot at Gravois, MO, MP 11, a short walk from my house.

    I visited a few times and took some photographs, but I was very busy at the time with other things. Next thing I knew, they had torn the depot down.

    I do remember that green on the interior. It probably is hard to match. I always called it "institutional green" because many local hospitals used that color.

    I would say any light green would do in HO-scale.
     
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  11. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    I am going to use a color from Americana Acrylics, slate green, DA281.

    Very light green with a hint of gray.
     
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  12. tomd6 (Tom Duggan RIP 2/11/2018)

    tomd6 (Tom Duggan RIP 2/11/2018) Passed Away February 11, 2018

    I believe the green color was sea foam green composed of green paint with a touch of black.

    In segregated states such as Arkansas the black waiting room was normally adjacent to the freight room.

    The black waiting room walls were made of plaster or something similar.
     
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  13. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    The Slate Green color from Americana is perfect for inside the depots in my eyes.

    Just enough green, just enough gray to tone it, and it does not look like it is a Pistachio fest inside.

    I wonder how many of us model segregation on our Turn of the Century layouts?

    I know that I will be. Down here in San Antonio, TX they had "Immigrants" homes for the railroad workers. They actually had that written right across the buildings. I have pictures of it.

    Dangest thing y'all ever did see.
     
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  14. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    This article has been in the works for quite some time.

    I had hoped to uncover additional information, but the goal of my quest is elusive. The attached PDF file contains rank speculation about the early 20th Century color palette used by the Frisco. It is a wild ass[umption] guess (WAG) based on two pieces of evidence. One document is very specific, while the other document that I used is lacking in specificity, and much in the way of assumption was used.

    I welcome other info and thoughts about this topic.
     
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  15. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Nice article Karl!

    We should highlight it for future reference by including it in an issue of The Meteor.

    Ken
     
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  16. Sirfoldalot (Sherrel Weems RIP 8/29/2024)

    Sirfoldalot (Sherrel Weems RIP 8/29/2024) Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    Very nice work, Karl.

    Wish I could help; but, I cannot even remember the color of my hometown depot.

    And, that was in the 1950s!
     
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  17. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Very well done, sir!

    Well, one thing about the Frisco, pretty much nothing was standard. :rolleyes:

    The Bolivar depot obviously had at least 2 paint schemes. The black and white photograph was in 1948 and the other had no specified date.

    At least you gave me a starting point to figure out what color I need to look for.

    Bolivar Depot.jpg Bolivar.jpg
     
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  18. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Superb resource, Karl.

    I, for one, am already appreciating the "paint chips" that you've provided. I've been toying around with acrylic paint mixes for my 2nd-generation Olathe depot, and I'm happy to report that I've apparently come reasonably close. A bit of tweaking needed on my end, perhaps.

    Frankly, a WAG is better than analysis paralysis.

    Best Regards,
     
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  19. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I've always been under the impression that during the 1920s through the mid 1940s they seemed to be a light to medium gray with dark gray trim.

    Later in the 1940s they showed up as light gray with white trim. I remember those.
     
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  20. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    I'm with Don on his time line.

    The best example around here, Springfield, was the Turner, MO depot, first stop east of Springfield on the Memphis line. Gray with dark gray trim until about 1947, then gray with white trim.

    The main gray was kind of a "battleship gray" and the dark gray trim was a "lead" color.

    Tom G.
     
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