Harrisonville

Discussion in 'Clinton Subdivision' started by Bradley A. Scott, Mar 8, 2007.

  1. Chaining notes of SLSF ex-KCO&S trackage for Harrisonville, ca. 1917. I apologize for the poor quality of these scans, but it's the best I could do with photocopies. Originals are in Missouri State University library archives/special collections.

    After the website refused the uploads yesterday, I shrunk the images by 50% in each dimension before trying again.

    Harrisonville depot area 1917 chaining notes small.JPG Harrisonville crossings 1917 chaining notes small.JPG
     
  2. Attached are digital photos of a completion report for some minor trackwork on an industrial spur in Harrisonville, with associated blueprint. From the Missouri State U. archives/special collections.

    I'm not sure exactly where this spur was located. Is it part of the former KCC&S or MKT track? Or a separate industrial spur built by the SLSF? Perhaps someone else can clarify.

    BAS

    harrisonville spur report small.JPG Harrisonville spur blueprint.JPG
     
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  3. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    This is part of the old KCCS. The bottom-most (west) track is the original KCCs mainline. This portion of the KCCS survived as a Highline spur track until the end.
     
  4. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    My father's field notes; circa early 60's

    d45.2_harrisonville.jpg
     
  5. trainsignguy

    trainsignguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    KC Terminal Division - Grandview Branch Industry Schematic dated 4-1979

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  6. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I think this is probably the best place to ask this question.

    Does anyone know how the MoPac trackage was laid out in Harrisonville, or, alternately, what industries were served by the MoPac?

    None of the drawings on this thread show anything past the Depot.

    The last time I was in the area (Christmas of 2007) The Missouri and North Arkansas were still serving industries on the remnants of the Frisco in Harrisonville. The MNA still has a passing/runaround track here. one end is apparently unchanged from Frisco days, in that the old Frisco connection track is used to reach the remaining Frisco industries. That is the end of the MoPac trackage that is well documented in the diagrams.

    The real question is what happenes along the passing track as you move towards (and past) Independence street. The 2007 MNA trackage had a stub ended siding that ends before Independence Street. This track moves away from the mainline, and towards a building on the other side of the street that has the feel of something that was once railserved (I think that is one of the buildings in the cluster that was once reached by the old MKT trackage, as shown on Karl's Father's field notes). Looking at the area on Google maps, it looks like the passing siding/runaround track is reached by crossovers on each end, with one end of the passing siding tied to the old Frisco connection and the other end tied to that stub ended track.

    What I'm really trying to figure out right now is what I want to do next with my Harrisonville Free-moN module set. The real question being do I want to model some incarnation of the Frisco trackage in town or do I want to extend what I have of the MoPac to finish off the passing siding.

    Thanks,

    Paul
     
  7. tferk

    tferk Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I lived in Hville 1979-1987, so can only comment on post 1979. The MP passing siding continued north of Independence and Lexington streets. The north switch was wiped out in 1988 when a loaded Newark coal train derailed on both sides of Independence St. There was a team track off the siding just south of Independence St. There was no rail activity north of Independence St. when I lived there. MP's business was mostly at Acme Brick and Anaconda Wire located south of US 71.
     
  8. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks Ted.

    The team track you describe matches the location of the "sub ended siding" I described, so I think that track is still in place.

    The MNA apparently primarily uses that track to store locomotives:
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    but there was also a flatcar with the locomotives the day I shot them:
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    So I think the plan is going to be to build a module with two tracks and include the team track. I'll go ahead and include the Independence street grade crossing as well.
    (it's a nice simple plan, and I have all the material I need to build it....)

    Was the MoPac depot still in existence when you lived there?

    Paul
     
  9. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Also, Here' are a couple of photos of the complex across the street from the team track that I believe was at the end of the old MKT trackage

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    Paul
     
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  10. William Jackson

    William Jackson Bill Jackson

    That looks like my old cat.
     
  11. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Paul,

    I have attached a portion of the 1954 Harrisonville, 7-1/2 minute quadrangle. It's scanned at 600 dpi, so you'll be able to zoom in without losing any of the details. Just imagine; at one time there were four railroads that passed through Harrisonville.

    harrisonville_7.5_minute_quad_1954.jpg
     
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  12. tferk

    tferk Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Paul, the Mopac depot was long gone when I lived there. I should have a photo of it somewhere in my collection. The MKT tracks passed behind (north of) those buildings in your photo. That brick building complex has been extensively modified - the wall closest to the MP tracks originally extended all the way west to the street frontage.
    I admit I enjoy reading the old industry diagrams and seeing all the names of families I went to school with....Brannaman, Yoder, Buerge, etc.
     
  13. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks Karl and Ted. Those are both great points of reference for the project.

    Paul
     
  14. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks, Karl. More Walk in the Weeds material for another trip.
     
  15. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    So, I had my Free-moN module featuring Harrisonville at the 2016 National Train Show over the weekend.

    On Saturday, I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. John Campbell, who had worked as an intern on the Frisco during the 1960s. John refered to Harrisonville as "a strange little junction". I like strange, I guess that's why I chose it as a location to model.

    John also mentioned that he had been to Harrisonville with Charles Brand (Karl's Father) while he was working for the Frisco, and had a picture to share. John sent the photo below to me on Sunday and said I could share it with frisco.org. John dated this photo as summer of 1960.

    Karl, am I right that the path through the trees on the far side of the tracks is the old MKT right of way? If I am, that makes the track on the right of the photo the old MKT connecting track that the Frisco used to access the remaining MKT customers.

    One of the two gates (which would be the one to the "West Yard" is also in the photo, on the far side of the MP trackage.)

    Paul

    Harrisonville-Summer-1960-John-Campbell.jpg
     
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  16. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Paul,

    That's really neat that you met John Campbell. You are correct; the gap through the trees is the MKT Holden Sub. It came up late 1958 or during 1959. You description of the scene is correct and the view of the photograph is generally to the southwest (compass). I have annotated John's image, and I have attached the same.
    Harrisonville-Summer-1960-John-Campbell-Annotated.jpg


    I have also attached a photograph taken when my brother and I took our motorcar over the Highline for one last trip between Dodson and Harrisonville and return. The Smoky Hill had just acquired the Dodson Harrisonville segment, and we conducted a rail inventory. The trip was taken during the winter and it was bitterly cold that day. The image shows that the Clinton Sub - MP Crossing had been removed.



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  17. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Paul, perhaps you've posted photos of your module and I've missed it. If not, I can't wait to see it.

    I think Paul Dolkos included Harrisonville in his plans for a bedroom-sized layout that ran from KC (Staging) through Harrisonville to Clinton (and onto optional Springfield Staging) in a Model Railroad Planning sometime in the last decade or so.

    Best Regards,
     
  18. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I Think I posted this somewhere earlier in this thread, but here's the link to the information on my Harrisonville module:
    http://www.nscaleintermodal.com/Free-moN/Harrisonville.html

    It's currently a static grass covered monster.... It really needs trees.....

    Yes, MRP 2008. It only includes one of the crossings with the MP, and the Harrisonville track arrangement is a huge compromise.....

    There was also a corresponding article in the Spring 2009 issue of Classic Trains.

    Paul
     

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