E-8 paint diagrams

Discussion in 'General' started by DanHyde, Jan 17, 2010.

  1. DanHyde

    DanHyde Member

    Hello all,
    Does anyone know of a paint diagram showing the sizes of the striping, lettering, etc. on the E-8 Racehorse scheme? I have a decal maker that would make me a set of E-8 decals in 1/29 [ large] scale for me. He would like to know some actual dimensions.
    Thanks,
    Dan
     
  2. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

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  3. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Red Bird drawings were published in Main Line Modeler

    Texas Special E-7's November 1983, pp. 74-81

    E-8's, October 1984, pp. 77-82
     
  4. DanHyde

    DanHyde Member

    Thanks Keith and Karl. I hope to get photos and that article so I can get the best results. I have found several resources for " large scale" decals, but not all are currently available. And, not all " large scale" decals are the same. I guess it depends on which scale you use. It runs from 1/20 to 1/32 [ #1]
    Thanks again.
    Dan
     
  5. DanHyde

    DanHyde Member

    I just found that issue online for $5.00! Not bad. Thanks again.:)
    Dan
     
  6. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Dan, I scanned my copy a few years ago for someone - the scans are saved as 8-1/2 X 11.

    Here are the scans of the horse name for script angle and dimensions.
     

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  7. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    And here are scans showing the other dimensions and paint colors.
     

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  8. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    For Doug, Re Racehorse/Redbird paint scheme: Those diagrams appear to be from EMD--Was that paint scheme from EMD's design department? Or Frisco? Or by one with input from the other?

    Thanks, Tom
     
  9. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Tom - I believe EMD suggested the basic Racehorse scheme as one of several alternatives, and the Frisco then worked with them on a few changes. The horse names came from the Frisco. I assume it was their idea (and a great idea it was!)

    The white stripes came later - added by EMD to the last several units, retrofitted to the ones already received and in service by the Frisco.

    As I think you pointed out a while ago, there was a subtle difference between the EMD white stripes and the Frisco white stripes.

    Ken
     
  10. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Better than the War Bonnets, Zephyrs, Cities, Hiawathas, Daylights, Rockets, Centurys, Eagles etc. etc!!
     
  11. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Yes, title block is EMD's, not SL-SF.
     
  12. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    The notes on the E-unit painting diagrams are interesting.

    The Frisco diagram for the E7's and the EMD diagram for the E8's both clearly show the blue "Coonskin" logo on the nose - blue DuPont Duco #254-34969. I believe this was a fairly dark royal blue, not the bright blue the Herald King decal set has. That's why I kept my E-units with the black logo, since the blue weathered poorly and they went to black fairly shortly as the units aged.

    I clearly recall seeing E7 2000 or 2001 in Rolla on #3, all beat up looking, still with the white & gold stripes, and with a well weathered nose logo which still obviously had a dark royal blue background.

    The EMD diagram shows the white border stripes added effective 5/1/50 (date of the drawing revision), and the first unit with white border stripes at EMD was SLSF 2014.

    The Frisco E7 diagram was made 4/10/50, and then revised twice yet in April, so white stripes could have shown up in the Springfield paint shop on some E7's and some in-service E8's prior to the EMD date.

    Both diagrams show the nose "whiskers" to be 4 1/4" wide gold (Duco 261-30890 Metalli-Chrome) stripes, separated by a 1 3/4" red band (Duco 254-2460 - the Racehorse red body color), and bordered by a 1/2" white border stripe (Duco 254-1).

    The original gold whisker stripes on the nose looked to be wider than after the white border striping, yet the red divider looks to be about the same or only slightly thinner. Thus, the white border stripe must have been put on mostly, or entirely, over the gold.

    On some of the E's painted by the Frisco, the white stripe looks a bit wider, and the red separation a bit thinner, than on the EMD factory paint jobs.

    There is a note on the Frisco diagram dated 2/24/57 referencing a 2/6/57 memo announcing the white border stripes will be discontinued on future repaintings. That must be when the yellow/gold DuPont Dulux gold stripes first started to show up.

    The trucks and equipment below the side skirts were painted silver - Dulux aluminum, 166-220.

    As Tom said, what neat looking locomotives these were!

    Ken
     
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  13. DanHyde

    DanHyde Member

    Thank you, Doug, for the beautifull prints! I have still ordered the magazine, but having these prints NOW gets me to the paint shop faster!!:)
    This website is populated by the best of folks!
    Dan
     
  14. splitwindow

    splitwindow Member

    Does anyone have a Proto 2000 Frisco E Unit for sell. I'm working with Key Models and I'm importing the Frisco E7's and E8's in the Racehorse Paint Scheme in "O" scale. I was going to send the Proto 2000 shell to the Builder in Korea as a sample.

    Thanks
    Roger Lewis
    http://www.wasatchmodels.com/
     
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  15. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Perhaps, I'll check, but only if you have a '63 Vette to trade. Kidding. My first auto was a dark blue roadster with both tops - 300 hp. Doug
     
  16. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    The Proto 2000 Frisco E8's still show up on eBay now and then.

    Ken
     
  17. splitwindow

    splitwindow Member

    I do have a Red on Red 63 Splitwindow, 340 HP, 4:11 Posi rear end, and a 4 speed close ratio Munci Trans. Bought it Feb 14, 1964. I think I'll keep it for now.

    Roger
     
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  18. w3hodoug

    w3hodoug 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Roger, I knew I had a spare E-8, but it's undecorated. My other two are Big Red and Citation from that first run. A guy (Nolan Null) from Life-Like gave me the undecorated when I mentioned that the Frisco's E-7s were resided to look like E-8s. He gave me the undec for a kit bash that I never got around to. Enjoy that split window. I'm sure there are a few still around, but rare. I sold my roadster to my brother-in-law who later customized it by wrapping (shattered) it around a tree. Sad. I used it to attract girls - it worked - been married for almost 43 years.
     

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