Some recent action on the QA&P (ho scale)

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  1. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    That middle photo is my favorite. Great angle and greater modeling.
     
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  2. modeltruckshop

    modeltruckshop Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Great stuff Tom. 907 looks super, especially the pilots.
    Hope your broken wing heals up soon.
     
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  3. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Super Tom!
    K
     
  4. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Some farmers seem to be doing OK along the QA&P. With this order of Cat rubber crawler tractors, to be delivered in Paducah. They are riding on a used ex-ATSF flat car.
    The Q acquired 3 such cars, re-stenciled and put into service.

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  5. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Years ago I had an idea that all the gondolas that had been acquired, well, there needed to have a set of loads available, now not knocking all the commercial loads available, but they kinda all look the same. I came up with a system to make my own removable loads, using again, scrap materials on hand or easily attainable. Most of my flat bottom gons are Athearn /MDC/Proto, many more, but this is the majority. A lot of other mfgr will accept these loads too, these are just the molds I came up with.
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    Then, using scraps of 1/9 Masonite, strips were cut to fit the molds, painted flat black, then using strips of wax paper, were gently pressed into the molds, taking care to ensure all the wax paper was squared and not torn. The material I used was like what Sherrel and others have used and are simply floor sweepings from a machine shop, have a great MRR friend that owned his own shop so there is ample supply, here is a couple pics of this.
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    There are as many different glues to hold all this together as there are people doing it, so for this I used, yep you guessed it, what was on hand. Semi gloss clear coating in this case a Deft product, water soluble. Loaded the molds as wanted, heap it there, thin here. I wonder if that glue that is used in hodge podge type would be better cause this stuff took days to dry, remember it needs to be thin enough to penetrate and bond every little piece. Used a blotter thing to apply the bonding agent.
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    Using the holes in the bottoms of the jigs, the new loads were gently pressed out of their molds, at this time you can apply some color to a few pieces of the scrap if you wish, then a generous Krylon dull coat was applied. Used a magic maker to identify fit.
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    I had Flat bottom gon right behind the power on a train one time, couldn't see the load, but the wheel report showed 260,000 lbs. Well being the kind of WTH? kind of guy I am, I climbs up and see all these 4"-6" steel balls just a few layers deep, turns out the car was headed to Nevada to a mine ball mill, and they are used to process ore.
    So, I ask a friend who "loads his own" to donate a baggie full of "shot" for the cause, now we got many loads of HO scale mill balls. Pictured is not my best effort too much glue.
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    This is just a couple loads rolling around his outfit.
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    This is an Athearn car (acquired ebay) with shortened skirts, kinda like the short skirts myself...
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    I will be posting more images of these efforts, just wanted to let you know how I got here, many different things we can do using this method while getting realistic results, you could use a magnet to unloads these too.
    This is the kind of stuff I can do wounded, basically have more than needed, dont want to go into the official bidness of load mfg, but I would be happy to build a few for my Frisco family. I think $9.00 each plus shipping, I only ship USPS PM, "Click n Ship" cause the post office comes to me. PM me if you want a few Ath/MDC/Proto loads.
    Thanks for looking.
     
  6. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    That has incredible detail! I like the method you use. I may copy cat you to make a coal load for my wooden gondola.
     
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  7. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Have at it my friend!!
     
  8. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Well, Tom... that's pretty nifty. Not bad fer a stick twidler. Just goes to show you that a Hoghead ain't plum dumb!!
     
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  9. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Tom -
    Great work!, thanks for the details.
    I've made several loads for gons and open top hoppers myself. What I did was less original and less sophisticated than your methods. I used the available loads from the HO manufacturers but applied my own realistic toppings to them. Using them as a base, I applied coal, ballast, wood chips, metal scrap, chemicals (sulfur), iron ore, gravel, junk, quartzite, etc to the top of the inserted loads, using flat liquid Dullcoat brushed from a bottle as the binder (apply generously before applying the topping). Worked great. Can't show you any of them, as they all sold last August in our binge estate sale - except for the two Gould ore hoppers with full iron ore for the Sligo Iron Works, Newburg, Mo, buried in the boxes down in our storage locker.
    This way I took advantage of the contour, and fit, of the existing load inserts from the kit manufacturers. I had a lot of open hoppers, many of them Bowser. The Bowser coal load is terrible, but it has a nice contour, and fits their various cars perfectly. Trying to make use of them is what led me to this method. Easy, cheap, and looks great.
    K
     
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  10. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Meteor910 lamented: " Can't show you any of them...except for the two Gould ore hoppers with full iron ore for the Sligo Iron Works, Newburg, Mo, buried in the boxes down in our storage locker."

    There is, however, no need to rummage through boxes other than to give the poor hoppers a deserved release. Try this

    http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index....wood-ore-hoppers-ho-kit-4012.5234/#post-38452

    for a view of some fine work.
     
  11. modeltruckshop

    modeltruckshop Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Good stuff Tom. I think they all look spot on. I am like you guys too, everything on the floor at work is a potential model piece. I save the metal "dust" out of the metal chop saw. I am sure everyone wonders why I sweep it in to little boxes and carry it to the car.
    I had never heard of mill balls. I do remember the iron ore pellets in northern Michigan though. They were not that big though, maybe the size of marbles.
     
  12. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Steve -
    We used a ball mill now and then in a few of our plants. They are good for grinding up hard materials. The mill is a big cylindrical vessel with some internal baffles, containing the mill balls, made of hardened steel. You feed in the product in and then turn on the machine such that it spins at a fairly low speed. The product and the balls flop around together, and the balls bash up the product into finer particles. The thing discharges into a vibrating screen, which sifts out the fine particles you want, and recycles the oversize back in.
    Kind of a primitive mill, and as you might suspect, they make an incredible racket!
    K
     
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  13. modeltruckshop

    modeltruckshop Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Interesting. Thanks for the info, I feel a little smarter today. Definitely new to me.
     
  14. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    One of the industries on my layout will be, Federal Materials, a crushed limestone business that used a ball mill to make the various grades of gravel that they soldl. Somewhere in a drawer I have what is left of a mill ball from their mill; it is roughly about 3/4" in 'diameter' with concave divots all over the surface. It is no longer a sphere and looks more like a meteorite than what it was.
     
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