SLSF 1632 - 2-10-0, Baldwin Russian Decapod

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  1. dricketts

    dricketts Member Supporter

  2. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

    Bolsheviks 1625, 1630, & 1632 to name three of the class served on the Clinton Sub.

    SAFN SAAP Member


    The condition of SLSF 1632 in that picture is down right criminal. No steamer should ever look like that. I wish there was a way to get these locomotives declared historical objects/landmarks and restored to full operating condition.

    End hijack.
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  4. wmrx

    wmrx MP Trainmaster

    There is a way, Manny.

    It's called money. Do you have an extra $50,000 or $100,000 that you would like to contribute?

    The railroad business is not cheap. The group that owns this engine is lucky to do as well as it does.
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    SAFN SAAP Member

    Oh, I know. I'm a retired freight conductor. I'm not upset with the organization that holds her. I'm grateful they have her and that she could be saved. I'm frustrated with the lack of vision when the transition to powered boxcars came. I'm not saying all steamers should have been saved, but a considerable amount of them should have been preserved. The historical value is unmeasurable. Believe me, if I had that kind of money, yes, I would put it into the locomotive to save it. I would love to own a steamer myself. Sorry, I should have been clearer in my rant.
  6. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter


    You are correct about 1632 being a Baldwin product.

    However, the entire Bolshevik class had a mixed lineage. The 1613-1623 were built by Richmond, the 1624 and 1626 were built by Brooks, the 1625 was built by Schenectady, and the 1627-1632 were built by Baldwin.

    The 1615 played the part of a Guinea Pig; the Frisco increased her boiler pressure from 180 psi to 190 psi which increased TE from 51,500 to 54,350 pounds. The already slippery locomotive's Factor of Adhesion dropped from 3.59 to 3.40. Dissatisfied with the results, the Frisco returned the 1615 to her original boiler pressure of 180 psi.

    The locomotives were hardly speed merchants, but none the less the Frisco Employee Magazine has several references to these locomotives pulling passenger trains on the Mud Line and there are several photographs extant that depict the 1630 and 1632 pulling trains Nos 20 & 21, which was the Highline passenger local.
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  7. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    Does this mean there is a re-skin project somewhere on the drives?

  8. Rancho Bob

    Rancho Bob Member

    While we are on this subject, I have a linen and ink builder's plate drawing.

    Baldwin, everything in Russian Cyrillic of course, stashed away in my many boxes of "stuff". I found it in a junk store of all places, nowhere near Philadelphia. Go figure, but right away I knew what it was. The year mark is 1917

    Now, was it a drawing for one of our decapods or some other export? Have no clue.
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  9. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Always a topic dear to me. Thanks to Frisco Power, lots of info provided by Karl, and a Spectrum locomotive swap with Jerome L., I'm happy to have a Bolshevik on my roster.

    Rancho Bob wrote:
    "The year mark is 1917. Now...was it a drawing for one of our decapods or some other export?"

    Hmm. Working off memory, but I think that Baldwin, Alco et. al. as noted by Karl above had about 200 2-10-0s to be delivered to the Imperial Russian railways. Using a couple of my books here as a reference, Nicholas II abdicated in March, 1917. A year later the Bolsheviks were in full control and signed the treaty of Brest-Litovsk. So, it's plausible that the drawing you have would have been for some 2-10-0 that was eventually purchased by USRA.

    Karl wrote:
    "Bolsheviks 1625, 1630, & 1632 to name three of the class served on the Clinton Sub."

    Karl, I was glancing through Frisco Power last night. I saw the picture of the locomotive that had the extra sand dome between the steam dome and generator. I think it may have been 1625? At any rate, I also saw a photo of 1630 at Harrisonville where it appeared that it, too, had an extra sand dome?

    At any rate, I can't open the Flicker photo - for some reason, it is now a blocked website by my employer. Regardless, how it looks today may not be indicative of how it looked when it was in service on the Clinton Sub.

    Best Regards,
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  10. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    It is interesting Rancho Bob found the linen builders plate with Cyrillic printing.

    Is it small enough to scan and post for viewing to determine whether it would pass for a Frisco 2-10-0? As pointed out earlier, it would at least show the locomotive arrangement at export prior to USRA acquisition.

    The Cyrillic is easy to transliterate and pronounce. Translation would be fairly simple, too.

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  11. dricketts

    dricketts Member Supporter

    Thanks for the detailed info Karl. You might have already answered this so forgive my ignorance on the subject. Did the Frisco ever use the "non-russian" type pictured here on the Highline or the entire system?


    You read my mind...
  12. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    I just made a trip to the Museum of Transport to brush up on details on 1621, a Baldwin product. While "1613-1623 were built by Richmond," Frisco Power reports the original 1621 was lost in an explosion so it was replaced by a locomotive from an Arkansas short line that had originally been used on the Southern. Frisco Power is uncharacteristically silent on the manufacture of second 1621.

    The first attached photo shows the front of the locomotive with the three plates on the smoke box behind the coonskin. The second one zooms in to show the typical round Baldwin plate as well as the Russian one to its right.

    Transliteration is "Parovozostroitelniy Zavod Boldvina Aprel 1918" "Filadelfiya S Sha S A" which I guess translates to "Steam Locomotive Factory Baldwins" "Philadelphia USA April 1918.
    1621_Front_NMOT_110916.jpg 1621_Plates_NMOT_110916.jpg
  13. dricketts

    dricketts Member Supporter

    Thanks for the photos. I'm still a little confused though.

    Were there strictly two categories, "Russian" and "non Russian", or were some locos partially made in Russia and the US?
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  14. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Supporter

    They were made in the U.S. for Czarist Russia, but the orders were cancelled because of the Russian Revolution. Russia had a five-foot track gauge and the engines had to have special tires on their drive wheels for the U.S.A. track gauge. That's why the engines' wheels were odd looking.

  15. Rancho Bob

    Rancho Bob Member

    A couple of things.

    When I say "stashed away", I mean STASHED AWAY. As in climate controlled storage in another state. The drawing is 1:1, so you all can imagine the size based on a normal Baldwin's builders plate from that era.

    If you understand the Cyrillic (or Greek since it is similar) alphabet, it's easy to make out the words. Especially since you already pretty much know what it's supposed to say.

    Secondly, the "regauging" created an interesting problem, especially many years later when the IRM bartered their engine away from Eagle Picher. On it's way to Union, IL the engine was riding, dead in train, through the puzzle switches on the KCT. At the last moment, the Illinois Railway Museum (IRM) tag-along had the presence of mind to ask,

    "Does the KCT use self-guarding frogs?"

    Too late, BAM, the engine jumped into the air and banged back down on the track.

    Indeed they did.

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  16. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Supporter

    As usual, I was looking for something else and ran across this.

    Frisco 1632 on Clinton Turnatble.jpg
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  17. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Supporter

    I guess this could have posted under the Decapod thread, but since it has Highline information I'll post the link here.

    It is a link to the Illinois Railway Museum publication Rail & Wire, Issue 162, November 1996.

    It has a good article and photos of 1630
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