Discussion in 'E8A' started by j, May 18, 2001.
SLSF 2011 Mar67 Merriam, KS ??
SLSF 2013 Mar67 KC, MO
SLSF 2006 Nov66 Union Station, KC, MO
2013 KC, MO
2022-2006 Union Station KC 1966?
Not so good quality
2008 paired with 2006 Union Station KC Nov 66-see pervious posted photo
Forgot to add 2008 photo
Thanks for posting the SLSF E-pics. Keep 'em coming!
Sure do miss those big fellows!
Thanks, KEN ...
The elusive "Messenger" almost got away from me again.
It is strange, isn't it, about how hard it is to get pics of SLSF 2008, "Messenger"? Wonder why this unit was so hard to photograph? Maybe she was always out delivering a message.
I just checked my old album of Frisco E-unit prints that I got back in the 1980's from the late Art Johnson and from Dr. Lou Marre. Both were prolific photographers of Frisco power. I have many prints of each Frisco E, but only have two prints of 2008 from Art, and only one from Lou.
ps - Lou Marre does have the best photo, however, of SLSF 2022 carrying the "Middleground" name before she got T-boned by the Katy at Ft. Scott very early in her service life. At least the best photo I've seen of it. She came back from EMD, of course, as "Champion", and was the subject of many photos thereafter.
Were any of the Race Horses preserved? If so, where could I see one?
Unfortunately none of the Redbirds are extant. Five were sold to the L&N, and the rest were trade-in fodder to EMD.
'Ya know... it looks like several E's got the yellow cigar band.
I know what Lou Marre thinks about it... ...but I gotta' admit it's kind of grown on me.
What was the fate of the five sold off to L&N???
Amtrak purchased 2007 and 2014 according to Frisco Diesel Power by Marre and Harper.
So is there any chance they might be out there somewhere or did Amtrak send them on to the torch?
Here is a photo of 2008 that I took in Fort Smith in March 1960. It was unusual in that it still had its coupler doors and they were not even very badly beaten up (though you see where a short length of chain has been welded to one side with a bracket on the other so that the doors could be held shut even if the original latches no longer fit).
Nice shot Gordon!
I'm thinking I like the deluxe gold scheme better even than the gold/white stripe scheme. I guess that's because most of the Racehorses I saw were that way.
ps - I wonder if Walthers/P2K could be persuaded to do the Frisco E8's in the deluxe scheme the next time they do a release of E8's.
Nice picture Gordon! Wouldn't this probably be the longest lasting coupler clamshell??
I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you -- in my opinion the Dulux Gold (and was it actually even that or was it a true shade of yellow -- anyone know for sure?) version was a real step down from the original gold/white, though in fact the original was gold without the white outline but that just didn't provide enough contrast.
Now check the photo below of 2004 "Dan Patch". It was taken five months later with a few interesting differences. It is still in lined gold as is 2003 "Steel Dust" behind it (no, train 710 never rated two E-units but it happened that 2003 had failed the previous day and was being towed to Springfield) but the skirts over the fuel tanks of both units has been removed while 2008 still had its. Also, 2004 still has the home-built doors over the coupler that were added by Springfield Shops when the original pneumatic system that (sometimes) originally retracted the coupler so that flush doors could be closed was finally rendered inoperative. Louis Marre and I were standing on the Garrison Avenue bridge to take this shot but the coupler doors were still open. I went back down trackside and partially closed them to improve the shot, but could not close them all the way. So here is the question. In order to shut the sheet-metal doors the coupler either had to be partially retracted or else it was able to be lowered vertically. Somehow I think it was the latter, but do any of you know for sure? Bottom line is that the doors would not close with the coupler in the "working" position. Incidentally, by this time (August 1960), 2003 had already had its coupler doors removed though the hinges were still there. In all, it appears that the summer of 1960 was transition time for things like paint schemes, fuel tank skirts and coupler doors.
Gordon - Yes, it was really a shade of dark yellow, but I seem to recall duPont called the paint color "Deluxe Gold". That's just out of my memory, I don't have any source reference.
I never saw a gold/white outlined Racehorse unit that was clean. One I clearly recall was 2001 "Ranger" coming through Rolla in that livery looking just awful. I was at the Rolla depot when it came in on #3. It looked terrible, but I recall seeing some blue showing through under places where the black had come off of the nose coonskin. (Royal Blue, not the lighter powder blue like on the Herald King decal set). I recall thinking "Ranger" looked like the old, beat-up senior sire of the stable!
Back then (had to be 1962 or so) I noted the road number and horse name of each of the e-units I saw in a little notebook. I didn't record anything else I saw. Subsequently, in one of our many moves, I lost the notebook! It had notations in it of every Frisco E-unit I saw from St Louis to Newburg in my four years at MSM. I recall I had all of them except for one or two. Some guy at the Rolla depot told me they had a total of 23 of them.
I agree, the gold/white could look pretty awful if it wasn't maintained, but in good condition it was truly stunning. As for the later version, Dulux (and that really is the way it was spelled -- it is a brand now produced by ICI) Gold was the paint that the Pullman Company adopted at some point, I think in the late '40's, for lettering heavyweight sleeping cars rather than the gold leaf they had been using previously. It was probably, though I would be glad if someone could verify this, also the paint used in the Hungerford era for lettering on steam passenger locomotives. Humans are notorious for having poor color memory, but somehow what was used later on the E-units seemed more yellow than imitation gold.
Of course then there was always the original scheme for the E-7's --this shot of 2005 (not by me, though I certainly remember them looking this way) is in Fort Smith in September 1949 and shows the original coupler doors that were flush with the pilot and involved pneumatically retracting the whole draft gear.
Gordon - I stand corrected, Delux Gold it is.
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