I've been working on the railroad, all the live long day!

Discussion in 'General' started by SAFN SAAP, Jun 6, 2012.

  1. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Manny, for my own tastes, I decidedly prefer to paint. At least for the fascia. We have a shade of green left over from our master bedroom that compliments the Midwestern mid-to-late spring plant growth that I'll use.

    However, there's a lot to be said for the nice presentation that stained woodwork provides. I like what Jim has done with his Zalma/Brownwood layout. Likewise, I think it's Ken Patterson's layout that has a very nicely stained/glossy wood fascia. I presume that he stained and then applied some sort of glossy coat.

    If I were putting my layout into one of our high-traffic living spaces, I'd probably opt for staining, simply for aesthetic reasons. However, it sounds like for your health, a nice coat or two of latex might be the best route. I'm a fan of going to one's local home improvement center, and seeing if they have any rejects of a suitable color that they would sell at a discounted price.

    Best Regards,

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Thanks Chris,

    Sievers Benchwork is designed to have the top surface sit on top the rails of the sides, and be flush with the facing. A fascia would need to be added to the facing boards of the table to hide the separate top from the benchwork. At this point, I'm undecided between 3/4" Birch for the top and then using hi-density foam board. Birch is nice to work with, but adds tremendous weight. Foam board is great for its light weight, however, I'm afraid it will not hold up.

    Traditionally I really like stain. I thought about stained benchwork, but a fascia that is either green like that that matches Cypress trees here in Texas, or a lighter tan, that would vary from the stain, and blend the table top. I don't know if contrast is the right thing to do, or let it flow into the table. Every layout I've seen, the fascia contrasts to establish a fixed, recognizable edge.

    I can stain. It's the varnish I can't do. The fumes get to me and burn my lungs. There are a lot of pieces to do. I'm trying to find someone to do the job for me, but dang it's hard to find a business that does wood staining. Go figure.

    Anyones ideas or input is welcome. I haven't unpacked the boxes yet because I don't know what to do. This is unique for me because when the Brown Santa or the USPS guy drops off a package, I tear into it. I'm worse than a kid getting a BB gun at Christmas.
  3. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    Manny, Use MINWAX water based wood stain .. then Varathane Polyurethane water based Satin.
    I just completed a project and they are a very good combination ... AND NO FUMES!
    In the past I have been skeptical of water based stains and such believing that they were not as good as oil based.
    I have to admit that I was wrong.

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Just unpacked the bench work. Too cool. I'm a lil' wheezy right now from some small sawdust. Yuck. Anyways... 48" height, which I need due to me being so large and having a bad back. Main section for San Antonio yard is 15.5' long x 22" wide. The short section is 40" long and 8" wide. The triangle will connect the two legs.

    I looked at some stains like Sherrel stated this morning. Because it is pine, I have to pre-stain treat the wood, even with a water base stain, or the grain will lift and uneven staining will occur. That requires some sanding which I can't do. I may be able to use 0000 steel wool, which I can deal with. I have been shopping around for folks to do the work for me. So far about $250.00 is the lowest. So I'm debating. $250.00 can buy me some rail or other materials needed.

    Here are pics of the bench work pieces. Good stuff. Mitered legs, holes for wiring, etc. Nice stuff. Roosevelt approves.

  5. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    What is the spacing of the grids?
    I would think that 1/2 inch plywood would be ample for the top.

    With the MINWAX stain you wipe it on with a cloth - not brush. Should not raise the grain.
    Steel wool would work very nicely.

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Spacing of the grids is 12" I believe. I'm undecided on either plywood or 2" foam with a fascia board that meets the foam and is attached to the bench work fascia.

    As for the stain, I went to Minwax's web-site and they said that the pine should be pre-stained to avoid the lifting. I'm just reporting what I read is all. I may do this job after all and save me the money.
  7. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    12 inch spacing? Why not get c/d 1/4" plywood screwed to the cross pieces (it'll be enough to make it all rigid) and then glued-down foam over that? The 1/4" would give support for any switch machines and anything else you may want to support from under the layout.

    Facia can wait until you get the terrain figured out, then you cut to match hills, valleys, etc.

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Yes, the fascia will wait until my terrain is all figured out. You hit the nail on the head.

    As for the surface, I'm still unsure. Your idea of 1/4 Birch and then foam board sounds interesting.
  9. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    Oh my goodness ... If your grid is only 12 inches or so ... Quarter inch plywood is plenty enough if you use the foam board for your track. I would consider any type wood except pine. I have not seen any quarter inch ply that was not warped to some extent in a long time unless it is A-A grade cabinet type.

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Jim will be happy. I'm assembling the first of three sections to my layout. This area will be for the San Antonio Yard, Lone Star Beer Brewery, Union Stock Yard, and some small industries against a backdrop of 1900 San Antonio. I'll have pics of the bench work up in a few...
  11. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Hot dog! I had better get you some dirt:)

    SAFN SAAP Member

    All finished. An "L" shape with a 80" spur, and 22"x16' area for the engine facility, brewery, stock yard, and leaving town. Pics in a few. I'm tired. I hurt my knee.

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