Hand Car Sheds

Discussion in 'Section Houses' started by Larry F., Feb 26, 2013.

  1. Larry F.

    Larry F. Member

    I've scoured the web site looking standard plans for hand car sheds with no results. Were there such buildings? Unrelated, but does anyone know when the telephone poles came down along the ROW? Also, when a line entered a tunnel, were the telephone lines run up and over the mountain? Thanks in advance. Larry F.
     
  2. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    I am certain there were standard plans for handcar sheds, perhaps Karl Brand could post them. The line would be run over the mountain so there would be access to it for maintenance. I do not know about telephone poles on the ROW.
     
  3. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    It depends upon which time frame you speak. During 1949-1950 the Frisco began using prefabricated, "portable" steel buildings to replace older structures, which were used as tool houses and motorcar houses by the district gangs, et al. I have the standard plans for these. I have not seen standard plans for a handcar shed, or perhaps more accurately described, a tool house or section car house. Of course, that means nothing, but we can use Beaumont, KS as an example. A Bridge and Building Inventory lists a Section Tool House, which was located at Beaumont on Mar 14, 1949. This structure was derived from a "car body" (boxcar). The other building was called the Section Car House, and it was built during 1880. It was 10' x 12' x 8' high. The walls were box board, and it had 2 - 3' x 6' doors.

    Here is a shot of both structures. The tool house, built from the carbody has 3 stalls for motorcars, and beside it is the single stall "Section Car House". Both would make interesting model projects, and the scene depicted in the photograph would make an interesting vignette...the OTM (other track material) stacked about, the switch stand, etc. The photograph was given to me by Jim Rucker.

    http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index.php?threads/beaumont-ks.1372/#post-7534



    This link is to the standard plans for a section house. The plan also provides the layout of the section house, and its adjunct structures http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index.php?threads/standard-plan-section-house-cold-climate-1906.3252/
     
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    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

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  6. SAFN SAAP

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  7. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    From what limited photos that I seen, it would appear that the utility poles would go up and over the mountain and not through it. Consider the problems with any maintenance or replacing lines in an active railroad tunnel.

    As to "came down along the ROW" are referring to when they were installed or removed?
     
  8. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    I know we discussed this before (Some photos were posted), but are there any dimensions for the CTC control (For lack of better words) "block houses" or "switch cabins." I'm sure someone will help out with the correct name of these little concrete sheds.

    Thanks, Tom
     
  9. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter


    A Frisco document, "Poles per Mile" dated October 31, 1963, will only shed a little light on the question. Even though dated 1963, the document records further retirements through 1970.

    By 1963, the pole line was gone from the:
    Aurora Br
    Ozark Br
    Lepanto Br
    Marion-Hulbert Br
    Picher Br
    Coal Br
    Greenfield Br
    Carmen to Enid
    Bessemer Br
    Empire Br
    AT&N-Pole markers were in place every "15 poles" only. Mile posts converted from AT&N to SLSF mile posts during 1968
    Armorel Br
    Wilson Br
    Caruthersville Br, Kennett to Hayti

    Retirements after October 31, 1963

    The pole line on the Current River Br was retired from Winona to Birch Tree 1/29/1965. The pole line from 332+36 to Chicopee had been retired prior to Oct 31, 1963.
    The pole line on the Parson Sub from C115 to M135 was retired on Nov 30, 1966
    The pole line on the Burrton Sub from F507.5 to F537.79 was retired on Oct 26, 1967
    The pole line on the Bentonville Br was retired April 1, 1967
    The pole line on the old Mansfield Br, Jenson to Hackett, was retired April 5, 1966
    The pole line on the A-A Sub, V559+23 to V611+3, was retired July 27, 1965, and Hugo to Hope was retired Dec 8, 1964
    The pole line on the Avard Sub, Z547 to Z581+13, was retired November 30, 1966
    The pole line on the Colombus and Pensacola Sub was retired on April 20, 1970, and portions sold to Diversified Metals
    The Hoxie Sub was abandoned Nash to Pocahontas April 1965 with the pole line intact
    The pole line on the Leachville Sub was retired Nov 30, 1966 except for pole line TE163.51 to TE187.47, which was retired October 1, 1969 and sold to L.B. Foster
    The pole line on the Leachville Sub, Clarkton to Malden and Gibson to Campbell was retired Nov 30, 1966
    The pole on the Bytheville Sub, TJ260 to TJ289+6, was retired Nov 30, 1966, and TX212+12 to TX220+12 was retired May 8, 1967
     
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  10. nvrr49

    nvrr49 Member

    If you click on the image, it will get larger, and if you left click, it will allow you to save the image.


    KLRWHIZKID: Note: If you right click on an image and select Open in New Tab, it will be as large as can be displayed.
     
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  11. Larry F.

    Larry F. Member

    Thanks to one and all for the info and a thank you to Karl for posting the plans and photo for the "houses". You're right about the Beaumont area making for an an interesting vignette. As far as the poles, I am trying to set a timeline so the information was invaluable. Larry F.
     
  12. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter


    Concrete CTC Houses or Instrument Houses came in a couple of sizes 6'-6"/8'-6" x 10'-6" x 8'-9"(h). ARA standards from 1946 list three sizes for metal Instrument Houses, i.e., 6'-0 x 8'-0/10'-0/12'-0 x 7'-0 (h at eaves). Union Switch and Signal was one supplier of these
     
  13. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    I regrettably cannot get the plans to show large enough to read the measurements. If someone can help me out with getting the image legible, larger, I'd appreciate it.

    Thanks!
     
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  15. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Yes, by all means. Thanks again Karl! You're a great asset to the board.
     
  16. mvtelegrapher

    mvtelegrapher Member

    The Fort Smith Trolley Museum has an actual Frisco motor car shed on site with a Frisco Fairmont car in it.

    John Chambers
     
  17. frisco4301

    frisco4301 Member

    Not the best shot of the shed in Fort Smith but a partial along with M-19 stored inside. Jeff
     

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  18. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Karl -
    Excellent point, and excellent summary, as always.

    I'd have to cross-reference my materials, but I believe that this is a similar approach used at Hayti, MO for the section gang and motor cars. I think the Frisco Museum "All Aboard" magazine may have showed an old versus new photo at some point.

    Best Regards,
     

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