I'm curious - how many of you are collectors of Frisco timetables? I have only a small collection of Frisco employee timetables (ETT's), but have an extensive collection of Frisco public timetables (PTT's). I have several from other roads as well, but it is mostly SLSF. I started my Frisco PTT collection in September, 1960, picking one up at the Rolla depot when I bought a ticket for my first weekend trip home to StL from MSM in Rolla. That was the very first time I rode the Frisco, on #4, The Will Rogers. It was the August, 1960 issue; still have it. Yes, the "Will" was on time that trip! My collection now numbers over 200 Frisco PTT's. I have about 95% of those issued from 1928 thru 1967, though it is hard to tell just how many there actually were. That includes the condensed PTT's, but does not count commuter TT's - I only have one of those, would like a few more! The NAOTC (National Association of Timetable Collectors - I think NAOTC proves there is an association for everything!) published an extensive compendium of US railroad PTT's, and I am basing my Frisco count on that. It is not perfect, but is close. I have a couple they missed, and a few of their dates are suspect. My reason for posting this is that I got lucky today. One Frisco PTT I was missing in my collection was the January, 1936 issue. I just happened on to one in excellent condition on eBay this morning, and was able to obtain it at a good price. My 1928-1967 SLSF percentage just went up! Be happy to talk Frisco PTT's with any others on frisco.org who are collectors of them. Ken
i just started collecting them i have a few ptt's and more ett plus some insurance books most are most are frisco and SLSF and very few of others i like the challenge trying to obtain them in person from flea mkts. i also have a extra BN map if anyone is interested, im not sure off the top of my head the year but can look if any one is interested i also ran across a book called MISSOURI RAIL PLAN DATED 1980 it has some fold out maps of the rail lines in use and abandon lines i can make copies if anyone would like
I only have a few Frisco PTT's, some of which I purchased from you Ken. The photos are of some ETT's that I thought might be of interest. Included are Paris & Great Northern Railroad Co. Nov. 11, 1917, St. Louis, San Francisco and Texas Railway Company, Paris Sub-Division, Aug. 5, 1928, Kansas City, Clinton & Springfield Railway Company, Oct. 16, 1921, USRA Ozark Division, Nov. 17, 1918, and a Fort Worth & Rio Grande Railway Co., dated Feb. 14, 1932. Jeff Cooney, Lindsay, TX
Nice! Keep those old ETT's protected. What geography constituted the Ozarks Division on the ETT #1? Ken
The Ozark Division has the following Subs: Willow Springs Sub--Springfield to Thayer, Memphis Sub--Thayer to Memphis, Current River Branch, Willow Springs to Grandin, Tyronza Central Branch, Tyronza Jct. to End of Track (13.6 miles), Evadale Branch, Deckerville to Evadale Jct., Bonnerville & Southwestern Branch, B. & S. W. Jct. to Algoa, Clinton Sub--KCUS to Springfield, and Kansas City, Clinton and Springfield Railroad, Operated by St. L.-S. F. R. R., Ozark Division--Osceloa Sub, Olatha to Ash Grove. The Ozark Division is odd and maybe unique to the USRA control. Maybe somebody can shed some light on this. Hope this helps. Jeff
I don't know anything about the history of the Ozark Division, but I'd also be interested if someone wants to contribute a little more about its history. It predates the USRA by quite a bit. I have a photocopy of Ozark Divison ETT No. 15 which dates from December 1906. This division may date back to the original lease of the Kansas City, Fort Scott and Memphis Railway in 1901?
I received my new PTT purchase today - the SLSF January, 1936 issue. It is in excellent shape and was a very good buy. That January, there were four trains each day, each way between St Louis and Springfield - the Texas Special (#'s 1&2), the Oklahoman (#'s 4&5), the Bluebonnet (#'s 7&8), and The Meteor (#'s 9&10). Must have been fun! Interesting that the "TS" was a bit quicker than the "Meateater" getting down to Springfield from St Louis. Frisco #9 left St Louis Union Station at 6:45pm, fifteen minutes later than #1's departure at 6:30pm. By the time they each hit Tower Grove, #1 (6:40pm) was doing it two minutes faster than #9 (6:57pm), now a seventeen minute spread between the two. But, #9 had to make stops at Pacific and at Rolla, while #1 did not - #1 had no stops until Newburg. #1 hit Newburg at 9:23pm, while #9 came in at 9:57pm. So, the spread there was 34 minutes vs the StL departure spread of 15 minutes - a nineteen minute gain by #1 over #9. #1 stayed in Newburg a minute longer than #9 did (nine minutes vs eight minutes). They each had only one stop before Springfield, both stopped at Lebanon. At Lebanon, #1 was a full 40 minutes ahead of #9 - 11:09pm vs 11:49pm. By the time they hit Springfield, #1 was the same 40 minutes ahead - 12:30am vs 1:10am. I wonder why #9 was a full 25 minutes slower than #1 to Springfield, beyond just the need to stop at Pacific and at Rolla? They were 34 minutes apart at Newburg, after the two stops - #9 got to Newburg 19 minutes slower than did #1, much of this no doubt due to the stops. Perhaps #9 was also slower than #1 going up Iron Hill? Could it be The Meteor was usually a longer, heavier train than the Texas Special? What else would slow it down vs #1? But after Newburg, #9 lost yet another seven minutes to #1, over the same schedule, same stops. I wonder why? Was it slower up Dixon Hill because it was heavier? In January, 1936, I would think both trains were still powered by 1500's as the Springfield shops were still working on the 4300 rebuilds at that time. Ken
We will also be adding some to the Frisco Archive at some point - especially old ones. If anyone has any that can be scanned please advise. Charlie
