Frisco Caboose Series SLSF 1100-1199

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  1. mark

    mark Member

    The Frisco 1100 series of local service cabooses was created in 1968.

    This resulted from the need to create a unique number for each piece of equipment when the railroad installed a new computer tracking system. This was a composite group of cabooses that consisted of 6 types or subclasses of cars. It consisted of cars from Frisco, NEO and ATSF origins. These cars included:

    St. Louis San Francisco (SLSF) Railway
    Group 1
    Frisco built, steel frame and underframe, wood side, end cupola with slant side wood cupola cars from the 199-979 series (nonconsecutive numbers). Constructed prior to 1930 in their shops in Springfield, MO.

    Cars known to have been renumbered include SLSF 1102 (1st), 1105 (1st), 1145 (1st), 1169, 1170 (1st).

    Group 2
    Frisco built, steel frame and underframe, wood side, end cupola with straight side steel cupola cars from the SLSF 10-26 and 30-119 series. Constructed in 4 groups during 1938 (SLSF 10-26), 1940 (SLSF 30-40), 1942 (SLSF 41-99) and 1946 (SLSF 100-119) in their shops in Springfield, MO.

    Cars known to have been renumbered include SLSF 1100 (1st), 1103 (1st), 1104 (1st), 1106, 1107, 1108, 1109, 1112, 1113, 1114, 1115, 1116, 1117, 1118, 1119, 1120, 1121, 1122, 1130 (1st), 1131, 1132, 1133 (1st), 1134, 1135, 1138, 1139 (1st), 1140, 1142 (1st), 1143, 1144, 1146, 1148, 1149, 1154, 1155, 1159 (1st), 1160, 1161, 1163 (1st), 1165, 1167, 1168, 1171, 1172, 1173, 1174, 1176, 1177 (1st), 1178, 1179, 1180 (1st), 1181 (1st), 1183, 1185, 1186 (1st), 1187, 1188, 1189, 1190, 1191 (1st), 1192, 1193, 1194, 1195 (1st), 1196, 1197, 1198, 1199.

    Group 2b
    Included in this group is one subset that featured a sliding side door and 8' baggage compartment near the end opposite the cupola (SLSF 103).

    Car known to have been renumbered include SLSF 1150.

    Group 3
    Frisco built, steel frame and underframe, wood side, center cupola with straight side steel cupola, that featured a sliding side door and 13' baggage compartment near the end cars from the SLSF 27-28 series. Constructed during 1938 in their shops in Springfield, MO.

    Cars known to have been renumbered include SLSF 1127, 1128 (1st).

    Group 4
    Frisco built, all steel former Howe truss boxcar conversion, center cupola, with side door and 13' baggage compartment cars from the SLSF 156-158 series. Constructed during late 1953 and early 1954 in their shops in Springfield, MO.

    Cars known to have been renumbered include SLSF 1156, 1157 (1st), 1158.

    Northeast Oklahoma (NEO) Railroad
    Group 5
    NEO built, all steel, center cupola cars NEO 54, 55, 56 and 57. Constructed during 1947 in their shops in Miami, OK. After the Frisco purchased the NEO they were initially renumbered SLSF 162, 163, 164 and 186.

    Cars known to have been renumbered include SLSF 1110, 1111, 1157 (2nd), 1186 (2nd).

    Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe (ATSF) Railroad
    Group 6
    American Car & Foundry built, all steel, end cupola, former 1500, 1600 and 1700 series ATSF cabooses. The Frisco cars in these series were constructed in 1927, 1928 and 1929. These cars were acquired in 9/1969 (SLSF 1100-1105) and 1971 (nonconsecutive SLSF numbered cars noted below). These cars were intended as replacements for groups 1, 2, 3 and 4 cars in local service.

    Cars known to have been renumbered include SLSF 1100 (2nd), 1101, 1102 (2nd), 1103 (2nd), 1104 (2nd), 1105 (2nd), 1128 (2nd), 1130 (2nd), 1133 (2nd), 1136, 1139 (2nd), 1141, 1142 (2nd), 1145 (2nd), 1147, 1152, 1153, 1159 (2nd), 1163 (2nd), 1164, 1166, 1170 (2nd), 1177 (2nd), 1180 (2nd), 1181 (2nd), 1182, 1191 (2nd), 1195 (2nd).

    Notes:
    a) The above Group designations are unofficial and were not used by the railroad. They are used here for identifying groups or subclasses of cabooses with common physical characteristics and origins.

    b) The 1st and 2nd designation in brackets following the caboose number indicate the first and second time the same car number was applied to a Frisco caboose. Several car numbers were reused as the prior car was retired.

    c) The former ATSF cars have sometimes been referred to in error as CE-1 or CE-2 cars. These class designations came into effect during the Santa Fe's caboose modernization program during the 1970s. This was after the Frisco acquired their cars. As a result, the ATSF would have retired and sold these cars before bearing these designations from the prior owner. Therefore, the appropriate designation for the Frisco's cabooses should be former ATSF class or series 1500, 1600 and 1700 cars.

    The former Santa Fe cars were purchased with the intent of replacing the remaining wood sided cars in local service. These were supplemented in the early 1970s with Frisco built extended or wide vision cabooses intended for local service in the 1400 series (SLSF 1400-1442). These cars were constructed in 4 lots during 1973 (SLSF 1400-1407), 1974 (SLSF 1408-1413), 1975 (SLSF 1414-1433) and 1976 (SLSF 1434-1442). This resulted in the retirement of the wood sided cars prior to the merger with that successor railroad.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
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  2. arkrail

    arkrail Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Does a renumbering sheet exist showing the former ATSF number and the new Frisco number assigned?
     
  3. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Indeed, the Frisco's first series of ICC (International Car Company) wide-vision cabooses, SLSF 200-274, built/delivered 1956-1957, were renumbered to SLSF 1200-1274 in early 1968 by simply adding 1000 to their numbers. This was done to avoid computer conflicts with diesel locomotives numbered in the 200 series.
    FYI, my favorite railroad magazine, Diesel Era, published an informative, two-part article on Frisco RR cabooses. Part 1 is in Diesel Era volume 14-1, while part 2 is in volume 14-3. Both these issues may still be available if interested.
    The articles contain lots of text and pictures plus a number of tabular summaries on the various SLSF cabs (in part 2). They do indeed include a tabulation of the SLSF 1100 series of former ATSF cabs, including the respective road numbers from both railroads and dates the Frisco acquired them. FYI, the ATSF cabs were built in 1927-1928.
    K
     
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  4. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Took another look at the FMIG Newsletter #12 (December 1978) that features Jerry Hurt's article/instructions on modeling one of these in HO Scale

    FMIG Newsletters

    I thought it might have the ATSF -->> SLSF numbers, but it just includes all SLSF numbers.

    It's still a neat article on modeling one of these unique Frisco critters, and is the basis for my own work-in-progress.

    Best Regards,
     
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  5. modeltruckshop

    modeltruckshop Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Chris, it still rolls around his basement too. It’s logged a lot of miles.
     
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  6. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Chris -
    The ATSF to SLSF numbers for the former Santa Fe cabs are listed in the Diesel Era articles on Frisco cabs (noted above). I also have a summary of all SLSF cabs & numbers that carried BN numbers. Let me know if you have specific cabs you want the numbers of.
    K
     
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