Meramec River Crossing - Bridge 18.2 - Valley Park, MO, MP 17.9 - Rolla Subdivision

Discussion in 'Bridges' started by pensive, Nov 19, 2006.

  1. pathowe

    pathowe Member

    I got to looking at Bing Maps and noticed that the next crossing at Eureka appears to be the same situation.

    The next two crossing however appear to always have been single track crossings.
     
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  2. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I do not remember when the double track was taken up.

    I am guessing early fifties but would have to go digging.

    The end of double track was at the west end of Pacific and if you look at it in Google Earth, you can still see the slight "crick" in the track to align it.

    The Times Beach (Eureka) and Valley Park were both double track.

    The little short trestle in West Pacific still has foundations for the second main track.

    Frisco crossed the Meramec at Valley Park, Eureka, Pacific and Moselle.

    The Pacific crossing is at the very west end of Pacific.
     
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  3. RogerRT

    RogerRT Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    The 2nd main (south/eastbound track) from Southeastern Jct. to Valley Park was built in 1922 and is still in service.

    From Valley Park to Pacific the 2nd main, north/westbound track, was built in 1923 and is still in service.

    The south/eastbound main was abandoned in 1952 except at Eureka and Pacific where the 2nd main remained for sidings.

    The 2nd main between West Valley Park to Morschel's was re-installed in 1959 to serve the new Fenton Chrysler plant and is still in service today.

    As for the reason it was abandoned I believe Frisco just did not need it, CTC had been recently installed and traffic levels at the time did not support maintaining 2 main lines over 2 major river crossing.

    They did the same thing from Turrell to Clarkdale, AR the next year.

    As for determining which main line came up that was easy, the construction techniques of the 1920s were much superior to when the original main was constructed in 1882/1883.

    Plus the new main was further away from the Meramec River Bluffs around Menke reducing the chances of landslides so the original main was lifted.

    As for the appearance of the Meramec River bridge piers, when the new main was constructed the new pier was concrete molded onto the existing single track stone piers resulting in a weird looking half concrete, half stone double track pier.

    As for the structural integrity of the piers I doubt very much if this is an issue.

    On the route I run over between Newton & Ellinor on the old ATSF there are many of the original stone and mortar culverts remaining from when the line was built in the 1870s.

    They were built to last and are probably stronger and in better shape than the later concrete models.

    My 2 cents.

    Roger
     
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  4. pensive

    pensive Member Frisco.org Supporter

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  5. RogerRT

    RogerRT Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Don,

    Do you have the exact date of this photograph?

    The reason I ask is because I found a discrepancy in the Frisco employee Eastern Division timetables regarding the double track and signal system west of Valley Park.

    1947-May-01 shows the double track in service + OBS between Pacific and Dillon, MO.
    1947-September-29 shows the double track gone + CTC between Valley Park and Newburg.
    1950-April-30 shows the double track in service + OBS between Pacific and Coffeyton
    1952-March-02 shows the double track gone + CTC between Valley Park and Newburg.

    Now I have yet to see a employee timetable put out without a mistake but this one is a big boo-boo.

    Any idea which one is correct?

    Roger
     
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  6. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Roger,

    How does the signal information section from the Special Instructions agree or disagree with the info shown in the "Schedule" portion of the ETT's?

    keb
     
  7. RogerRT

    RogerRT Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I checked those but the 1950 posted on this site was scanned bad, the block system info was cut off in the middle.

    The 9/29/47 Item 7 shows CTC in place from Valley Park-Newburg and so does the 1952 timetable.

    I was trying to verify when the double track was removed and when CTC was installed when I noticed this.

    The Helm-Bond, Swedeborg-St. John & Sleeper-East Lebanon double track was definitely removed summer 1947, so I doubt Frisco would have taken these up without installing CTC first.

    Roger
     
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  8. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Here are three more pics of the existing Meramec River bridge at Valley Park, MO on the Frisco's Eastern Division. The bridge is at MP 18.2.

    These are the June, 1984 pictures I referred to in my 2009 postings up above in this thread.

    As others have noted above, it is not clear if the existing bridge is a stronger replacement of one of the two original spans, the second original span having been removed, or if it is simply the original span reinforced or rebuilt.

    There is not much room left on the bridge piers upon this which this bridge, and the earlier original bridges, rested, for a second bridge of the heft of what is there now.

    Ken
     

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  9. john

    john FRISCO.org Supporter

    Here's some random information that sheds a little bit of light on the early history of one of these bridges.

    This was taken from a 1914 article on measuring bridge stresses created by moving loads.

    The original bridge at 18.2 was a single track, pin connected through Pratt truss of light construction.

    The description of this bridge which was still in service and tested in 1907 stated that it had suspended floor members, a light floor and lateral bracing.

    It was built in 1883. Spans were apparently 150 foot length.

    The bridge shown in the two attachments taken from the article was the second bridge at this location.

    I believe it's the bridge shown in the original post on this thread. It was in service by 1910, built between 1907-1910.

    The second bridge was described as a single track, through, double intersection Pratt with 152 foot spans.

    In addition to recording stresses created by regularly scheduled trains, the study tested the second bridge by repeatedly crossing it with special trains run by at different speeds by the Frisco for testing purposes.

    They normally consisted of a locomotive and 5 cars loaded with steel rail.

    Locomotives that were used in this series of tests included 1259, 1260, 1263 and 1265.

    This was posted in an engineering journal: Announcement has been made by J. M Kurn, president of the Frisco lines, of the awarding of contracts for double tracking and grade revision work which will approximate $2,000,000 during the year 1922.

    The work contracted for includes double tracking from Windsor Springs to Valley Park, MO. a distance of five miles at a cost of $750,000; double tracking between Paola and Spring Hill, KS, a distance of 13 miles at a cost of $745,000; new double track from Swedeborg to St. John, MO, a distance of three and a half miles.

    In these contracts are provisions for the reduction of the present grade at Crocker, MO, and the reduction of the grades and elimination of the Meramec Highlands tunnel by fill ins and cuts, and the cutting down of the grade at Garnsey, MO.

    These grade reductions will permit eastbound trains to carry 500 tons more load than at present, and also does away with delays at meeting points of trains.

    It will greatly assist in expediting the movement of traffic between the southwest, Kansas City and St. Louis.

    The Frisco will, when this work is finished, have a complete double track from Kansas City to Paola, a distance of 43 miles, and according to the announcement it is the plan of the Frisco to ultimately double track the road across the entire state of Missouri.

    The work on the eastern division, covering the Windsor Springs, Croker, Swedeborg and Garnsey jobs has been awarded to Grant, Smith & Co. of St. Paul, MN.

    John
     

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