Livestock Car Loadings - ICC Report - 1950

Discussion in 'Freight Operations' started by meteor910, Feb 10, 2012.

  1. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    For those who strive to have accurate freight consists in your layout's freight trains, and if you are modeling in the 1950 era, and if you are including livestock cars, I have run across some ICC data for livestock carloadings during 1950 for various railroads, including the Frisco.

    Anyway, for the Frisco in 1950, the following livestock loadings system wide were reported to the ICC:

    Car Loadings
    Horses/Mules ..............................158
    Cattle, single deck cars.................7745
    Claves, double deck cars...............99
    Sheep/goats, single deck cars......660
    Sheep/goats, double deck cars.....348
    Swine, single deck cars.................1178
    Swine, double deck cars...............92
    Live Poultry...................................1
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    Total car loadings, 1950...............10281

    FYI, I also have the same data for MKT and MP, plus several others, if interested.

    Incidentally, the MKT had about 25% more, the MP almost three times (3 x) more.

    Ken
     
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  2. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    A point of clarification regarding the Frisco livestock car loadings reported above for 1950.

    These are counts of ALL revenue livestock car loadings over the Frisco in 1950. This includes loads from Frisco locations to other railroads, loads being delivered to Frisco locations from other railroads, and loads moving over the Frisco from one railroad to another.

    The stock cars used for each load are anybody's cars, not just Frisco stock cars. This is good, because they didn't have that many stock cars!

    K
     
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  3. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    Interesting info, Ken.

    Thanks for the clearing that up.

    My first thought was, dang - that's a lot of cars!
     
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  4. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Ken,

    How does that compare to coal or sand or any other car loadings, do you have other figures?

    Thanks,

    Tom
     
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  5. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Here is a sheet that the Frisco published for its 1955 Investor's Special Train.

    It's qualitative. I will post the quantitative figures tomorrow.
     

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  6. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    That's great Karl.

    Seems as livestock wasn't that big a part of the revenue considering the extra care required.

    Thanks,

    Tom
     
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  7. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Karl,

    That brings us back to the elusive 1955 Investors' Special Train!

    Ever find out any more information about it?

    Thanks,

    Tom
     
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  8. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Given the livestock car loading data, plus Karl's data on other major commodity tonnage, an estimate of these other commodity car loadings can be made easily.

    Nothing on coal, sand and gravel, though, other than the percentage of mine products data from Karl's table.

    The livestock data I posted were from the Pennsylvania Railroad Historical Society's (PRRHS) The Keystone Modeler. It is from the first article of a series on translating actual carload data into the make-up of your model freight car fleet on your pike. This first article was only on livestock shipments.

    The PRRHS "TKM" is really good(*). It is available including recent issues at no cost on the PRRHS web page.

    Ken

    (*) It is a really good e-zine, in particular if you like the PRR like I do!
     
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  9. Like so much about the transportation business, it varied dramatically by time and place.

    Livestock traffic was particularly vulnerable to motorized highway competition, and the railroads started to lose much of their stock business in the early 20th century. Note that, according to the figures Karl provided, the Frisco's livestock tonnage dropped by over half between 1935 and 1954. And this was starting from an already-weakened position.

    The midwestern railroads had already lost much of their livestock traffic before 1935, especially in short-haul markets where good roads existed. The abandonment proceedings for the former KCC&S, which took place in 1934, indicate that most of the livestock traffic from its service area (southwestern Missouri) to Kansas City was then moving by truck. Frisco maintenance forces were tearing down stockpens along the Clinton sub in the 1950s.

    In the early days, before effective highway competition, it was a different story. 19th-century freight loading data from the KCC&S shows that originating livestock traffic varied from a high of 35,110 tons (25% of total) in 1891 to a low of 14,160 tons (12% of total) in 1900. It's not a straight decline, by the way, but an apparently random series of up-and-down bounces from one year to the next.

    This was kind of a special case, since the KCC&S provided a direct connection between a major livestock-producing area and the Kansas City packing houses. But I think it's safe to say that livestock was a substantial percentage of traffic on the Frisco and other midwestern railroads up into the early twentieth century, and declined thereafter.

    There were lots of other factors that caused year-to-year fluctuations in the livestock trade, such as droughts, changes in traffic routings due to new railroad construction or shifting inter-railroad traffic alliances, changes in the organization of the meatpacking business, etc. Even overseas wars had an effect.

    One 19th-century KCFS&M annual report attributes a boost in horse traffic to the British Army's need for cavalry horses! Unfortunately, I can't remember whether this was attributed to the Second Boer War, the Boxer Rebellion, or some other war.
     
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  10. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Brad,

    Excellent background.

    Thanks.

    Ken
     
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  11. Additional data.

    The Statistical Abstracts of the United States indicate that the livestock tonnage originating on US railroads peaked in the late 'teens and early '20s.

    It had fallen by about one-half from that point until the mid 1930s.

    http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/statab.html

    Obviously this is nationwide data, not Frisco-specific, but it illustrates a trend that the Frisco, like all other railroads, was subject to.
     
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  12. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Here's a peek at Frisco freight traffic from the 1909 Annual Report.
     

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  13. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Here is a more comprehensive look at Frisco tonnage, 1935-1954
     

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  14. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I find it interesting that the best return on either per car or per ton in 1954 was animals & products.
     
  15. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    What category would petroleum products be under?

    Mines?

    Or something else?

    Lots of oil, gasoline and diesel was hauled on the Frisco.

    Thanks,

    Tom
     
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  16. "Animals and products" included the following subcategories. In addition to livestock, it included several types of perishable food products which required special handling and/or refrigeration.

    Horses and Mules
    Cattle and calves
    Sheep and goats
    Hogs
    Fresh meats
    Other packing house products
    Poultry
    Eggs
    Butter and cheese
    Wool
    Hides and leather
    Other animals and products
     
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  17. Petroleum and its products were split between two categories.

    Crude petroleum and asphaltum were counted as products of mines, but refined petroleum products were counted as "manufactures and miscellaneous".

    I'm getting the categories and the nationwide data from the online Statistical Abstracts of the US, which for many years included a table of total rail freight tonnage by category. The data came from the annual reports filed by the ICC. The page and table numbers varied from year to year, but can usually be found by looking in the "Transportation" section of each annual volume.

    http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/statab.html
     
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  18. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Tom, I think Brad answered your question.
     
  19. Joseph Toth

    Joseph Toth Member

    I always wanted the Lionel yellow "cattle car" for my 027 train but Santa never brought one. It is interesting that only 1 Live Poultry movement is recorded for 1950. Must have been a prized bird, pre-KFC too!

    On the Frisco line between Sherman and Irving where the line crossed the old Valley View Road in Farmers Branch there was a cattle guard installed on the track. I never saw any livestock roaming around but the black and yellow covered wagons always had to work in both directions making the sound of music to my ears. The line climbed from Carrollton south and from Irving north, cresting at FB.

    In 1949 after late winter rains, a Frisco freight hit a washout at the branch, giving Farmers Branch its name I understand. My grandmother saved the Dallas Morning News with the flood pix but it got lost in her last move. It was country back then. Just look at the area today!

    How many modelers have cattle guards on their pikes? This appears to be seldom modeled on layouts I have seen.

    Joe Toth
     
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  20. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    This thread and the data that Ken originally shared has caught my eye again.

    He's noted that, in 1950, there was 1 car loading of "live poultry." This strikes me as curious, knowing that as late as 1956, the Clinton "chicken train" was still a going thing.

    (http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?3604-Clinton-chicken-train&highlight=chicken)

    I wonder if movements of live poultry were tallied differently?

    Best Regards,
     
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