SLSF #108-113 4-4-0's - Do any pictures or diagrams exist?

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  1. JamesP

    JamesP James Pekarek

    Hello Everyone,

    I've been looking through all my normal resources for a picture or diagram of Frisco's 4-4-0's #108-113, but haven't found anything yet. These would have been acquired with the lease of the KCF&M/KCM&B in 1901, and were built by Baldwin in 1885-87 (according to Frisco Power; Stagner lists them as built in 1886-87). They were originally Kansas City, Memphis & Birmingham #4-9, then assigned #304-309 by Frisco in 1901, and renumbered once again by Frisco to #108-113 in the 1903 renumbering. To make things more confusing, Frisco also acquired two other 4-4-0's at the same time (1901) that were KCF&M #7-8, or Frisco #233-234 / #2233-2234. KCF&M #7-8 are not the same locomotives as KCM&B #7-8... even though KCF&M owned KCM&B.

    I presume from the lack of pictures and diagrams that #108-113 didn't have a very long service life on the Frisco. I'm just curious what they looked like and when they were scrapped. Any information is appreciated!
  2. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    Did you look at the steam locomotive diagram book I posted to this website?
  3. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

    All but one were retired during the great mass extinction of '15-'16.

    108 retired 5/16
    109 retired 10/08
    110 retired 4/15
    111 retired 5/16
    112 retired 4/15
    113 retired 6/15
  4. JamesP

    JamesP James Pekarek

    Richard, I looked at both versions of the diagram books you posted (a big THANK YOU for doing that, by the way!) and they skip from #96-103 to #114-115... assuming I didn't miss it somehow, always a possibility. Karl, I appreciate the retirement dates; however, it does make me wonder what led to #109's early demise... wrecked, boiler explosion or catastrophic mechanical failure I suppose. I'll keep searching for a picture; maybe one will turn up someday.

    My Thanks to both of you!
  5. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    somewhere around here I have the complete Frisco steam locomotive roster which should have the build dates for the locomotives. since they were retired around 1915, they were probably built around 1880, so their service life was just over.
  6. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

    Here are a few bits of dimensional data from this class.

    Based on the information that I have, it is possible that 108 and 113 did not receive a "first" Frisco number during 1901.
    108, nee KCM&B 4, built DEC 1886
    109, nee Frisco 305, nee KCM&B 5 built DEC 1886; steam heat
    110, nee Frisco 306, nee KCM&B 6 built NOV 1886; electric headlamp, steam heat
    111, nee Frisco 307, nee KCM&B 7 built NOV 1886; electric headlamp, steam heat
    112, nee Frisco 308, nee KCFS&M 8, built SEPT 1887; steam heat
    113, nee KCFS&M 9, built SEPT 1887; electric headlamp, steam heat

    Boiler: Wagon Top
    Dia of First Course: 62"
    BP: 150psi
    Flues: 180
    Flue Diam: 2"
    Flue Length: 11'-0
    Firebox: 72" x 34-3/8"
    Cylinders: 17"x24"
    Wt on Drivers: 52,500 lbs
    Eng Wt: 84600 lbs
    Eng & Tender: 158600 lbs
    TE: 13100 lbs
    Driver Diam Ctrs: 56"
    Driver Journal: 7"x8"
    Eng Trk Diam: 28"
    Eng Trk Journal: 5"x9"
    Coal: 8 Tons
    Water: 3000 Gal
    Tender Wheel Diam: 33"
    Tender Journals: 4"x7"
  7. JamesP

    JamesP James Pekarek

    Thanks Karl, that is some good information! The dimensional data helps, I appreciate you taking the time to post it.

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