segregated depots?

Discussion in 'General' started by plupkin, Dec 1, 2009.

  1. plupkin

    plupkin Member

    Has anyone seen plans for Frisco depots that provide separate, racially segregated waiting rooms or restrooms? I've seen a standardized, segregated depot plan produced by the KATY engineering office in St. Louis for its southern depots and wondered if the Frisco did the same thing.

    Thanks, Paula
     
  2. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Many Frisco depots had a "colored" waiting room. They're pictured in the company station drawings. In the late 1940's and early 50's, the Springfield depot didn't have a separate waiting room, but there were "white" and "colored" rest rooms.

    Tom
     
  3. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Standard Plan #4 had a "Negro Section" between the office and the freight/baggage room.
     
  4. w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021)

    w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021) 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Some of the earlier FMIG Newsletters edited by Charlie had drawings for the standard depots. Check NL numbers in the low 30's.
     
  5. FriscoGeorge

    FriscoGeorge Frisco Employee

    I don't know if the Newburg depot was segregated or not, but the Newburg city limit sign during the race riots of the '50's and '60's said "All Negroes must leave town before sunset, city ordinance". Also there was a KKK march held in Newburg in 1965, and a cross burning at Jacklin Field in Rolla the same day as the Newburg march.
     
  6. My Floor Plans of Stations book has a floor plan for Newburg dated Dec 28, 1916. There is only one waiting room. It was a standard plan 56'11" x 20'2".
    Ron Williams
     
  7. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    The Tulsa Union Depot had segregated waiting rooms. The Further South, the more likely it would be the case.

    Tom
     
  8. plupkin

    plupkin Member

    Thanks so much for your responses. I'd love to get my hands on the standardized company plans. Would someone help out this newbie and tell me what FMIG Newsletters are and how I can hold of them, as well as the Floor Plans of Stations book?

    Thanks, Paula



    Some of the earlier FMIG Newsletters edited by Charlie had drawings for the standard depots. Check NL numbers in the low 30's.

    My Floor Plans of Stations book has a floor plan for Newburg dated Dec 28, 1916. There is only one waiting room. It was a standard plan 56'11" x 20'2".
    Ron Williams
     
  9. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

  10. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    The "Farther South" comment is probably true. I believe the Mason Dixon line was loosly the norm. As as example, we here in Kansas were on the North side while Oklahoma was on the South side.
    This is not particularily a Frisco example, but several years ago we went to Pawhaska, OK and the Midland Valley depot was still standing and about 100 ft. east of it was a cement structure with 4 doors along the front on it. Upon further inspection, each door had a molded cement toilet seat. I for one and glad those days are now history and honestly wish they would have never happened in the first place.
     
  11. tomd6 (Tom Duggan RIP 2/11/2018)

    tomd6 (Tom Duggan RIP 2/11/2018) Passed Away February 11, 2018

    The Separate Accomodations Act of 1891 required railroads in Arkansas to maintain separate waiting rooms for blacks and whites.In Northwest Arkansas the black population was modest but most of the Central depot plans I have seen had black and white waiting rooms.The black waiting rooms generally abutted the baggage room and quality of room finish was less than that for whites.
    The law also applied to passenger trains. A Frisco train from Fayetteville was jammed with whites headed for a nearby town. They filled a car completely adjacent to a black man who was sole occupant of a car. The law was changed shortly to allow the use of wood partitions in a car so that they would not have the same problem.
     
  12. Ted Johnson

    Ted Johnson Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Living in Springfield in the late forties in my early teens, I hung out at the passenger station a lot train watching. I remember going in the colored restroom one day and they was a colored porter there. He said you are in the wrong section boy. You belong in the white section. I said so what and then left. :eek:
     
  13. Wes S.

    Wes S. Member

    "...The law also applied to passenger trains. A Frisco train from Fayetteville was jammed with whites headed for a nearby town. They filled a car completely adjacent to a black man who was sole occupant of a car..."

    I don't care who you are; that's funny right there.

    That's the trouble with discrimination: It works both ways.

    :D
     
  14. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    The way the Frisco handled larger/smaller segregated traffic, according to a retired conductor I knew was, if the "colored" traffic was larger than the "white," the larger section of the car became the "colored" section, and the whites went to the smaller. On the KCS, doorways between the divided sections had removable "colored" and "white" placards that could be switched around as necessary.

    Tom
     
  15. friscobob

    friscobob Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    The Hugo, OK depot had separate waiting rooms for "colored" men & women, but one waiting room for whites of both sexes. Since this was also in the Choctaw Nation, I wonder where the Indian population went.
     
  16. gbmott

    gbmott Member

    At least in later years the depot in Fort Smith had a "Colored Intrastate Waiting Room" (according to the sign) which I gather had to do with complying with state law in Arkansas but which didn't apply if a person was travelling out of the state. The White and Colored waiting rooms were located either side of the ticket office, so a single ticket clerk would serve the ticket window in both waiting rooms.

    Gordon
     
  17. tomd6 (Tom Duggan RIP 2/11/2018)

    tomd6 (Tom Duggan RIP 2/11/2018) Passed Away February 11, 2018

    The United States Supreme Court in late 1955 (in the case of NAACP vs St. Louis San Francisco Railway Co.) determined that racial discrimination of interstate rail passengers was illegal. This is probably why Colored Intrastate waiting rooms continued to exist after the interstate ban.
     

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