Agree, Tom Sauk is high ..... for Missouri! I hiked up there with Kurt when he was in Boy Scouts years ago, and earlier went up with my dad. But, compared to real mountains, Tom Sauk is just a hill. Attached is a pic of me at the top of the Jungfraujoch in Switzerland in 2010 - the Jungfrau is one of the taller mountains in the Alps. I'm at 11,780 ft, and yes, I was a bit dizzy. I'm not boasting - just pointing out that there are hills, and there are mountains, in the world. Note the lovely weather. We were in a driving blizzard up there. It was at the base of the Jungfrau where they were selling a sweet drink made by Nestle called "Frisco". I think I posted a pic on frisco.org of the "Frisco" vending machine after we returned to StL. The sweetness helps your body cope with the altitude, so they say. Being a diabetic, I just had a Gatorade and I was OK, even though I could certainly feel the altitude. Ken ps - The Jungfraujoch is a saddle between the Jungfrau and the next mountain in the chain, the Moench, which is equally tall. The mountain then next to the Moench is the famous Eiger, one of the toughest mountains in the world to climb as it has many sheer vertical faces. The pic of me looking through the window is in a cave in the middle of a glacier up at the top of the Jungfraujoch. This is a great place to visit - highly recommended. Have a "Frisco"!