Frisco trains 9-10 detour on MP

Discussion in 'Passenger Operations' started by arkrail, Apr 6, 2020.

  1. arkrail

    arkrail Member Supporter

    On January 20, 1961 (per MP dispatcher sheet) both trains 10 inbound and 9 outbound operated over Missouri Pacific from Sedalia to St. Louis. Does anyone know what caused this detour, no doubt a derailment. Also, what routing did the trains take from Sedalia to get back on the Frisco to Oklahoma City.
    Bill Pollard
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  2. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

    Bill, I am curious about how the MP train sheet referenced the Meteor.

    Train 34 derailed on the Gasconade River Bridge at Arlington on Monday, January 16, 1961, at 8:35 AM. Twenty one cars left the track; the cause of the derailment was a hotbox on a tank car which caused the car’s axle to fail and drop. The crew was not injured; one trespasser received minor injuries.

    The Frisco annulled numbers 3 and 4 between Newburg and Springfield. The Frisco bussed number 3’s passengers from Newburg; express and mail were trucked to Springfield. The Frisco turned number 4 at Springfield, and it bussed/trucked the passengers/mail and express to Newburg. The Frisco routed the Meteor (9 & 10) over the MP, Katy, and its own Ash Grove Sub... Springfield- Ft Scott-Sedalia-St Louis. Freight traffic and subsequent passenger traffic was routed over this detour. It took the Frisco 10 days to open the Lebanon Sub.
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  3. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    My Dad did that detour route several times. He told a story about a MP Pilot who thought their 5340s were much better engines that the Frisco's 4300s until Dad had him sit down and run the 4300. Made a new convert.
  4. palallin

    palallin Member

    I had never heard of the injury to the trespasser before. 'Bo on the train?
  5. arkrail

    arkrail Member Supporter

    Karl, the MP train sheet referenced the two Frisco trains as detours, operated as passenger extras.
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  6. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter

    Don -
    I remember you telling me this story your dad told. Is it fair to say the Frisco 4300's really were a superior locomotive to the Frisco 4400 types, even though it might have been a close call? The 4300's just look superior to me. Lean and mean!
    What was it about the 4300's that caused them to be retired, and scrapped, fairly early in their potential life? I have forgotten this detail in their life.
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  7. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

    Nickel-steel boilers may have been their undoing. The metal was popular during the late twenties and the thirties, but was prone to cracking due to thermal stress. Several railroads rebuilt their nickel-steel boilers. There is much discussion on the net...
    this is but one:

    Ultimately, the physics of electric traction put an end to the best of steam.

    The few enginemen with whom I have spoken, to a man said the 4300’s were the best the Frisco had.
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