Clinton, MO, Clinton Subdivision, MP 86.8

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  1. Clinton MO depot

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  2. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    MKT Station
     
  3. RICHCRAB

    RICHCRAB Guest

    The MKT Clinton Station was listed on the Clinton Sub Time table.

    Rich
     

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  4. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I'm not familiar with Clinton or its environs, but my guess is that the timetable reference to the Katy would be to the Frisco junction/crossing with the M-K-T 0.8 miles to the south of the Frisco's Clinton "station."

    I do not have a timetable currently handy for symbol reference but I think the circle-X indicates a crossing. Note also that the "M.K.T" reference does not have a Frisco-assigned station number.

    The other possibility would be a joint SL-SF/MKT station. My guess is that there would be less distance between the two points, but this is mere conjecture. I'll have to dig out the old 1920s list of joint stations to investigate further.

    The older employee timetables were a lot easier to decipher by indicating an actual crossing (e.g. "ST. L. S. W. CROSSING").
     
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  5. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The plat referenced below shows the genaral layout at Clinton, MO. Not all tracks are shown.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?p=11130#post11130

    Chris is correct. The MKT reference in the timetable refers to the crossing with the MKT's St. Louis to Parson mainline, their Sedalia Subdivision. At one time this crossing was protected with an interlocking plant.

    As traffic waned, it was razed and replaced with an electrically locked gate, whose normal position was against the Frisco. The Frisco depot, which was located north of the Katy depot, was served by means of a spur. The Frisco depot has been razed.

    The KCCS depot was on the south side of town, and it too was reached by means of a spur. Its foundation used to be visible in what was a DX Bulk Oil Facility. The KCCS/MKT crossing was also protected by an interlocking plant, and was very similar to the structure at North Clinton.

    Both towers were operated by the MKT. It was a cast-in-place concrete building. This structure is still extant, although not in its original location. I have picture of this as well, and will post it.

    With the abandonment of the Leaky Roof or KCCS, the South Clinton trackage was isolated, and the Frisco reached the the south side industries via the MKT. Although it disappeared many years ago, I still remember the KCCS JCT sign at the turnout on the MKT where the Frisco left the Katy.

    As far as I know, there was never a joint MKT/SLSF agency at Clinton.

    Mike Good has an outstanding site about the railroads of Henry County; give it a look. Mike's site has plats, maps, timetables, pictures, etc.

    http://tacnet.missouri.org/history/railroads/index.html
     
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  6. mark

    mark Staff Member Staff Member

    Katy timetables in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s referenced the Frisco having trackage rights from the Frisco/MKT Crossing to South Clinton to serve the "KCCS tracks".

    These were industries formerly serviced by the Kansas City, Clinton and Springfield (KCCS) before abandonment but retained by the Frisco.

    Once the Memphis Road and its KCCS were merged into the Frisco, the former KCCS was part of the Osceola Subdivision.

    Interesting that the Katy still specifically referenced the KCCS over 40 years after its abandonment.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
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  7. railroadguy65

    railroadguy65 Member

    Clinton, MO depot - Sanborn maps 1918 & 1928. :)
     

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  8. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    here are a couple of photos of the Frisco Clinton, MO depot.
     

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  9. trainsignguy

    trainsignguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks for sharing your photos of Clinton.

    Do you have any dates for them?

    If it was taken around 1938-39 there is a good chance that the lady on the platform in photo #2 is my grandmother.

    The age and sex of the children on the platform is correct for my dad, aunts and uncle in the late 1930s.

    She rode frequently on my grandpa's pass.

    Train No 21 from Blairstown to Clinton, would shop for an hour and half or so in Clinton, then ride No 20 back from Clinton to Blairstown.

    She never did drive.

    Dale Rush
    Carthage, MO
     
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  10. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    Both pohtos were taken by Howard D. Killam in 11/12/1950 and 7/8/1956.
     
  11. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Can anyone with better eyesight or tools than I have confirm the locomotive number in the 1950 photo?

    It looks to me like #1102.

    The head-on view looks like one of the 1100-series ten-wheeler varieties.

    Best Regards,
     
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  12. phawkwood

    phawkwood Member

    I messed with it in photoshop for a little bit, and I'd say 1102 is the correct number.

    The 11 is harder to make out but it's definitely "02"

    Patrick
     
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  13. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    How ironic, the same as the elevation on your depot sign on the photograph on your website, i.e. 1102
     
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  14. phawkwood

    phawkwood Member

    That's very amusing.

    I never would have caught that.
     
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