Alco FB-1s

Discussion in 'FB1' started by Larry F., Feb 14, 2012.

  1. Larry F.

    Larry F. Member

    Of the six Alco FB-1s renumbered, did any of them get the O/W treatment? Louis Marre's book alluded to them as may as happened but he didn't know for sure. Thank you.
    Larry F.
  2. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Larry -
    Across many sources - FMIG Newsletters, old Museum All Aboard magazines, Mike Condren's website, this forum - I've seen neither photographic nor written evidence to indicate that any of the FB-1s (or FA-1s, for that matter) ever made it to O/W.

    Mike Condren's site has several photos of FB-1s in the black sans-yellow stripe scheme.

    Nevertheless, a missing link could have been out there somewhere.

    Best Regards,
  3. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Supporter

    In Marre's (And Sommers') Frisco In Color, page 69, they say none of the FA's were renumbered or painted orange. No mention of FB's.

  4. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    From what I know the only Alco that the Frisco owned of any kind that made it to OW was one of the RS2M's, I believe #553. It wore it for a short while before being retired. But I haven't seen or heard of a FA or FB making it to OW. Any one know a retirement date on the FA's and FB's? (scroll to the bottom)

  5. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter

    Agree - I've never seen any evidence of, or heard of, a Frisco FB in o/w, be it repowered or not, that I can recall. All of the FA's and FB's were retired or traded in by the mid-1960's, with the exception of a few of the repowered FB's which were traded to GE on new U-boats in 1969. The Frisco knew the FA's and FB's, even the repowered ones, were on a short string and it would have been a waste of money to repaint them.

  6. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Ken, superb summary. Indeed, if some of the GP-7s stayed in black/yellow well into the 70s, I can't imagine anyone making a conscious choice to repaint a soon-to-be-disposed FA/FB.

    Best Regards,
  7. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter


    Just to stir the pot a little for some discussion, let's not forget the 3? Frisco E's that received the red(orange)/white paint. E-unit, 2020, was on the point of number 1 on May 13, 1967 as that train made its last run to OKC from STL. At that time, he unit was in the red/yellow livery. Nearly 7 months later, the 2020 did the honors, and pulled the last run of number 102 into KCUS. At that time, she had been repainted to red(orange) and white. Surely, the handwriting was on the wall for the E-units.
  8. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter


    Indeed, good point - food for thought as you suggest.

    There was, however, a secondary market for the E's (L&N for example) and, accordingly, an E no doubt commanded a higher trade value, plus I think there was a thought of using them in fast freight service (which they were not very good at), so there was perhaps some incentive to keep them decent. (This assumes one considers an E8 in o/w as being decent. Not me!)

    Nobody wanted Alco FA's or FB's, even those with 567's in them - the rest of it was still Alco, and by then nobody on the Frisco wanted much to do with Alco's (I still fondly remember Lee Buffington's rants on them!).

    But, who knows. What we need now is for somebody to come up with a pic of an o/w FA/FB. No photoshoping please!

  9. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    The Swami's crystal ball says that we will see a photo of an FA/FB lash-up in O/W show up on or near April 1, and that it may originate from Pacific, MO. :)
  10. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Supporter

    Actually it's only 44 days away! Yep, I am counting it down!

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