I do this with some trepidation, as I'm a little out of my depth. As companion to the HO Diesel table, here's a HO Steam Locomotive table: |-| [table="head"]Frisco Steam Power|Make|Whyte|Manufacturer|Numbers|Accuracy|Notes|Avl USRA Switcher|ALCo|0-6-0|Proto 2000 (Life-Like)|3803||Very good runner|Y Russian Decapod|ALCo|2-10-0|Bachmann|1630, 1632|Good, pumps may not be in right spot|Running boards thick|Y Mountain|Baldwin|4-8-2|Bachmann|4400|Not correct for 4400-series. Not bad for 1500-1519|Would be a good kitbash. New tender trucks needed.|Y Heavy Mikado|Baldwin|2-8-2|Broadway Limited|4212|Ok, no doghouse. Needs Delta Truck for later versions.|QSI Sound |N USRA Light Mikado|Baldwin|2-8-2|Broadway Limited|4001|Ok, no doghouse. Needs Delta Truck for later versions.|QSI Sound |N USRA Light Mikado|ALCo|2-8-2|Athearn Genesis|4030, 4031|Ok, no doghouse. Needs Delta truck for later versions|Numbers are for Lima built|N [/table] |-| These are mass-masket, HO, plastic/diecast steamers--brass is another table. I'm not certain about availablity, accuracy, etc. I think BLI has moved on to Blueline, but I'm not sure what they have for Frisco. Also, I know IHC makes some models in Frisco, but I've never seen one.
Re: Table of HO Steam This is off to a good start with useful information as well. I will leave it to those with more knowledge to offer technical critiques. Picking one formal nit, is it possible to re-title as "Table of HO Steam in Plastic?" George
Re: Table of HO Steam I edited the title. What I'm uncertain about is whether to include locomotives on some the threads here, like the Bachmann Connie, that members have decaled for the Frisco, or the Bachmann Ten Wheeler, which can decaled for an 870-880 model.
Re: Table of HO Steam in Plastic Two items. 1. Sorry I did not catch the inclusion of "die-cast" models as a classification. Is there room in the title for further revision? Maybe, it could be changed to "Table of Cast HO Steam" to preserve its compactness? That should be able to capture the concepts of plastic and die-cast. 2. Inclusion of other models that have been used as a base for decaling or detailing by members of the group to make a Frisco model is a tough call. Obviously, the easy ones that simply need lettering (and follow the 3-foot rule?) may be worth adding here. You (with the consensus of other members - remember, we are all here to help ) may have to decide how close to prototype the model can be to include it in the table. Is it possible to state in the remarks column that an off-the-shelf generic model is close and then include a link in the remarks column to the thread that describes its conversion to better Frisco prototype conformance? George
Re: Table of HO Steam in Plastic I know its not completely accurate, but, I detailed and decaled one of the Bachmann Spectrum 2-10-2's as FRISCO #7. It actually came out looking really nice and the tender seemed to match up pretty good with a picture I found on the net. I have 2 more of the 2-10-2's that I will be doing as FRISCO #'s 3 & 21. As I get the opportunity I am going to buy more of them and doll them up as FRISCO's as well. They certainly run really nice and the detail is outstanding.
Re: Table of HO Steam in Plastic I edited the title to be "Plastic/Diecast," which should cover BLI. I'm not sure if we can include links to other threads inside the table--maybe Mike can field that one. In the meantime, I could try it out...I'm thinking of Doug's Bachmann Connie, with Oddballs decals, as an example. There are several folks working on the 1500 kitbash from the Bachmann mountain, too.
|-| [table="head"]Frisco Steam Power|Make|Whyte|Manufacturer|Numbers|Accuracy|Notes|Avl USRA Switcher|ALCo|0-6-0|Proto 2000 (Life-Like)|3803||Very good runner http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?t=2129|Y Mountain|Baldwin|4-8-2|Bachmann|4422|Not correct for 4400-series. Not bad for 1500-1519|Would be a good kitbash. New tender trucks needed. http://www.frisco.org/vb/showpost.php?p=10193&postcount=17|N Mountain||4-8-2|IHC| Hudson||4-6-4|IHC|1060| Pacific||4-6-2|Mantua||Generic Mantua Boiler Pacific||4-6-2|IHC|1062||Semi-streamlined Pacific||4-6-2|IHC|1050| Ten Wheeler|Baldwin|4-6-0|Bachmann|NA|Very close to some series|Use Oddballs Decals http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?t=1964|Y Russian Decapod|Baldwin|2-10-0|Bachmann|1630, 1632|Good, pumps may not be in right spot|Running boards thick|Y Russian Decapod||2-10-0|Mantua||Generic to PRR Decapod|Mantua Boilers similar|| Heavy Mikado|Baldwin|2-8-2|Broadway Limited|4114, 4212, 4215|Sort of. No doghouse. Needs Delta Truck for later versions.|QSI Sound |N USRA Light Mikado|Baldwin|2-8-2|Broadway Limited|4001, 4004|Ok, no doghouse. Needs Delta Truck for later versions.|QSI Sound |N USRA Light Mikado|ALCo|2-8-2|Athearn Genesis|4030, 4031|Ok, no doghouse. Needs Delta truck for later versions|Numbers are for Lima built http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?t=2307|N USRA Light Mikado||2-8-2|Mantua|4006|Generic Mantua Boiler|| USRA Light Mikado|ALCo|2-8-2|Aristocraft|4005||| Mikado||2-8-2|IHC| Consolidation |Baldwin/ALCo|2-8-0|Bachmann|NA|Tender too big, can use Decapod tender|Use Oddballs Decals http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?t=1583|Y Consolidation||2-8-0|IHC|957 Spot Series||2-10-2|Bachmann|NA|Not completely accurate| Spot Series||2-10-2|IHC| [/table] |-|
Gary, Other steam engines: Mantua: 2-10-0 Decapod introduced around 1979/80 Generic to a Penn. Decapod. 2-8-2 Mikado #4006 introduced around 1991/92 Generic 4-6-2 Pacific All the Mantua's used pretty much the same boiler. I think Mantua also made a Frisco 4-6-4. If I can verify it I will let you know. IHC: 2-10-2 Santa Fe type 4-6-2 Pacific semi streamlined #1062 4-6-2 Pacific #1050 2-8-0 Consolidation #957 I think IHC also made a Frisco 2-8-2 & 4-6-4. If I can verify it I will let you know. Jerome
Here's a pretty serious nit pick of the table. The BLI heavy Mikado is NOT a 4200. Mine is numbered 4114 and sounds wonderful. It looks and pulls pretty good too. The only 4200 is the terrible Hallmark brass model from the 1970's. Many are available for some strange reason. How many of us have used the Bachmann 2-8-0 to model one of the 1266-1305's? Doug
Mine is numbered 4212: http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/187-240 While it is not accurate for a 4200, BLI probably thought it was close enough, which is why I listed it as "sort of" accurate. Mine pulls and runs really well, too, and the sound is great. I want to try and get a delta truck from BLI for it, too. I'll add 4114. I suspect several of us have gone with the Bachmann Connie to model 1266-1305, though I'd wager most don't go as far as Brad S. I agree with you--it looks more like an ALCo built model, though I haven't figured out what to do with the Baldwin builder's plate.
Gary, I don't think any of the IHC's are an accurate copy of a Frisco engine. They also seem to use a generic bolier and tender for their models. Jerome
Yes, looking at my 2007 walthers ho reference book here's what was available from IHC that was frisco: 2-8-0, 2-8-2, 4-6-2, semi streamlined 4-6-2, 4-6-4, 4-8-2, and 2-10-2, but it was unlisted but I found it on walthers a while back and it might still be in stock, I'll check. None of these are available anymore, I had looked a month or 2 ago and the 2-10-2 was still in stock. Also, when did BLI make their 2-8-2 (in frisco) and when did bachmann make their 2-8-0 (in frisco)?
BLI offered both their light and heavy USRA Mikados in Frisco. Bachmann never offered the Consolidation in Frisco.
|-| [table="head"]Frisco Steam Power|Make|Whyte|Manufacturer|Numbers|Accuracy|Notes|Avl USRA Switcher|ALCo|0-6-0|Proto 2000 (Life-Like)|3803|Good|Very good runner http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?t=2129|Y Mountain|Baldwin|4-8-2|Bachmann|4422|Not correct for 4400-series. Not bad for 1500-1519|Would be a good kitbash. New tender trucks needed. http://www.frisco.org/vb/showpost.php?p=10193&postcount=17|N Mountain||4-8-2|IHC||Not wildly accurate. Generic Boiler and Tender| Hudson||4-6-4|IHC|1060|Generic Boiler and Tender Pacific||4-6-2|Mantua||Generic Mantua Boiler Pacific||4-6-2|IHC|1062||Semi-streamlined| Pacific||4-6-2|IHC|1050|Generic Boiler and Tender Ten Wheeler|Baldwin|4-6-0|Bachmann|NA|Very close to some series|Use Oddballs Decals http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?t=1964|Y Russian Decapod|Baldwin|2-10-0|Bachmann|1630, 1632|Good, pumps may not be in right spot|Running boards thick|Y Russian Decapod||2-10-0|Mantua||Generic to PRR Decapod|Mantua Boilers similar|| Heavy Mikado|Baldwin|2-8-2|Broadway Limited|4114, 4212, 4215|Sort of. No doghouse. Needs Delta Truck for later versions.|QSI Sound |N USRA Light Mikado|Baldwin|2-8-2|Broadway Limited|4001, 4004|Ok, no doghouse. Needs Delta Truck for later versions.|QSI Sound |N USRA Light Mikado|ALCo|2-8-2|Athearn Genesis|4030, 4031|Ok, no doghouse. Needs Delta truck for later versions|Numbers are for Lima built http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?t=2307|N USRA Light Mikado||2-8-2|Mantua|4006|Generic Mantua Boiler|| USRA Light Mikado|ALCo|2-8-2|Aristocraft|4005||| Mikado||2-8-2|IHC||Generic Boiler and Tender Consolidation |Baldwin/ALCo|2-8-0|Bachmann|NA|Tender too big, can use Decapod tender|Use Oddballs Decals http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?t=1583|Y Consolidation||2-8-0|IHC|957|Generic Steam Spot Series||2-10-2|Bachmann|NA|Not completely accurate| Spot Series||2-10-2|IHC||Generic Steam [/table] |-| Here's the latest update. Does anyone have the new MDC 4-4-0 or 2-8-0? How about the Bachmann 4-4-0? On another thread Richard Napper referred to a Bowser Mikado. Should we inlcude kits, such as the MDC/Roundhouse or Bowser kits, that can be used for the Frisco, even though they are discontinued?
