Athearn GP7 Project Poll

Discussion in 'New Products' started by FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018), Jun 9, 2011.

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Athearn GP7 Paint Color Preference

Poll closed Jun 23, 2011.
  1. B&Y

    37 vote(s)
    74.0%
  2. O&W

    13 vote(s)
    26.0%
  1. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    To All:

    I am getting ready to contact my Athearn representative about producing the GP7. I need to specify to him which color scheme we want to see produced first. In this regard, I want to keep the choices as simple as possible so here is how I'm going to do it. I am giving the group two basic choices to begin with, either B&Y or O&W. After the votes are in, then I plan to post another poll being more specific as to time frame paint scheme (i.e. stripes, etc.)

    We need to remember that we want to get the first run correct (i.e. most chance of number of units sold) so we can assure getting a second run down the line. I will close this poll in two weeks.

    For reference purposes, GP7's have not been produced by anyone for several years. Atlas first produced an O&W one that was the wrong color and the old body style with cast on grab irons, etc. and later produced a B&Y version that had the wrong road #'s for the body style used, but did have separately applied grab irons, etc. It also had a DCC plug.
     
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  2. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    Bob,
    the question now is which B&Y sceme are we talking about, the one with five cheverns, etc.?
     
  3. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    Richard and All:

    As I said in the original post, for right now let's just try and decide which basic color scheme (B&Y or O&W) that everyone would prefer seeing. Then my plan was to narrow the choices down after that in a subsequent poll.
     
  4. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    Bob, if B&Y wins (and I'm about 95% sure it will), what are the chances of them doing one in O&W? It would be neat to have one, but B&Y doesn't really fit in...... Then again neither does the steamer.

    Ethan
     
  5. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    How about the original B&Y scheme? Looked better with all the stripes (chevrons).
     
  6. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Curious--I'm in N scale and don't keep up with HO releases, but didn't Atlas release an HO Frisco GP-7 in the full stripe b/y scheme? Atlas did a GP-7 in N scale and they usually do HO first??

    Tom
     
  7. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Tom - Yes, Atlas released their upgraded HO GP7 about three/four years ago in Frisco b/y colors with the full chevron as delivered scheme, SLSF 500 & 502. They are fine models, run very well, and were quick sell-outs as they were a limited release. The only significant problem is that Atlas mis-matched the Frisco road numbers with the phase of GP7 their model represents. If they would have numbered them SLSF 525 or higher, all would be well. Below 525, none of the Frisco GP7's had the long elevated walkway behind the fireman's rear cab door (short hood is "F") as is on the model. SLSF 525 and above all did.

    I chose to ignore the problem as I'm not that much of a rivet counter to worry about it. I didn't think it was worth the trouble of renumbering the units since Atlas did such a nice job of decorating them.

    I'd like to see the Athearn Genesis GP7 in Frisco b/y even though many of the on-line diesel "experts" are raising all sorts of objections around door and grill dimensions and details and paint colors, etc. The SLSF had 128 GP7's, so a Genesis model is well justified.

    Ken
     
  8. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    The GP7L Frisco diesel had basically two B&Y paint schemes, The first one had a full four or five Chevrons on the nose with two yellow rectangles on the upper part of the nose. The Frisco then began to simplify this by putting only one full chevron and two corner chevrons with a diamond sharp replacing the two rectanglular shapes. Those came on the GP7Ls with and without Steam generators in the short hood. There was also two O&W paint shcemes. The most used had no strips on the nose ends, but a second one used scott light reflectors all over the white portion of the nose ends but they fadded badly. Both photos are by Louis A. Marre. We could fight all day about what color the yellow is, I know it is a golden yellow, but I have always prefered Floquil Reefer Yellow on my models, and that is the color that matches the decals available; just my opinion.
     

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  9. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Richard--Do you think the Frisco GP-7 yellow is the same color as the yellow nose area and stripes of the F's and FA's?

    Tom
     
  10. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Tom - Yes, same color of yellow.

    Richard - 586 was one of the Frisco GP7's sold to the C&NW. It was still in b/y colors when it was sold. Sure looks better here than it did then!

    Ken
     
  11. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    Bob, If Athearn wants to do all Frisco GP7L then there would be eight models. B&Y in both paint schemes and with and with out Steam Generator in short hood; and all the same for the four O&W models. I would prefer to see the GP7L modelled with steam generator in short hood in both B&Y and O&W. It is easier to remove the steam generator detail if one wants the other four models. Just my opinion.
     
  12. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Does anyone have a decent top view of the short hood of a Frisco boiler-equipped GP7 they could post? I'm about to start finishing off my Atlas SLSF 500 and plan to put the s/g equipment on it (and a Nathan horn!) but am unsure of the exact location of the s/g stuff up on the short hood. To me, from side views, it looks like the Frisco s/g's were arranged differently up on the short hood vs. the Details West diagram in their s/g detail kit, 235-118.

    Ken
     
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  13. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    Ken,
    I have such a photo but it will taken me some time to find it as I have thousands of Frisco photos.
     
  14. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Richard - Great, thanks! I look forward to seeing it.

    Looks to me now from side views I have that the DW-118 diagram is correct for the Frisco. The SLSF s/g stack was located on the left front quarter of the top of the short hood. That's where the DW diagram shows it should be. I had recalled doing one years ago that was reversed - the exhaust stack was on the right side for some reason. It was an old Athearn CB&Q GP7 I think.

    The Frisco also usually put a pipe extension on the exhaust stack.

    Ken
     
  15. gbmott

    gbmott Member

    Fort Smith, 5-60 and 8-61. Notice too, though, that the sg-equipped units had a much larger fuel/water tank than the ones not equipped.

    SLSF 613 FSM 5-60.jpg SLSF 508 FSM 8-8-61.jpg
     
  16. gbmott

    gbmott Member

    Here's the only thing that I have at the moment that looks down on the short hood and it is not very clear but you can at least see how the s/g stack is offset to the
    fireman's side. SLSF 512 FSM 8-12-61.jpg
     
  17. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks Gordon! Neat pics - to my eye, the GP7 was a natural in b/y. I never liked them in o/w.

    I had overlooked the larger fuel/water tank between the trucks. I'll need to do something about that.

    Ken
     
  18. friscobob

    friscobob Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Ethan- I've seen black & yellow Geeps as late as summer 1977, so concievably you could indeed run one. Hey, I have a black & yellow GE 44-tonner and Alco RS1, PLUS a Russian Decapod in my collection. Just remember- it's your railroad
     
  19. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Gordon, thanks for pointing that out and for including photographic evidence; it's a detail that I'd never noticed.

    Additionally, your color photo of #512 in Ft. Smith is fabulous not only for the viewpoint of the GP-7 but also for all the other wealth of detail that's in the photo!

    Best Regards,
     
  20. rayw

    rayw Member

    I agree with Chris regarding the photo of 512. Lots of neat stuff in that photo! Thanks for posting it.

    Ray Wells
     

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