The Black Gold; Ft. Worth-Dallas-Irving

Discussion in 'Passenger Operations' started by JimVT, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. JimVT

    JimVT Member

    My copy of the February, 1938, Official Guide shows Frisco trn No. 502,the northbound Black Gold, departing Dallas at 4:00pm and Fort Worth at 3:50pm. I need to learn more about how SL-SF passenger trains operated at this time. Did the Dallas and Fort Worth sections combine at South Irving or Irving? There was a wye there and one engine could turn and wait for the next southbound train and take the Dallas or Ft. Worth section from there.

    Or did the trains run as seperate sections as far north as Sherman or Denison and combine at one of those places? 502 and 505 [the southbound Black Gold] were classy trains if you go by the equipment listing in the Guide. Air-conditioned coach-lounge and coach-snack cars, dining car service and lounge car service [probably for first class passengers only] and A/C Pullmans from both Fort Worth and Dallas to Tulsa, probably sold as parlor car seats in Sections not made down for night occupancy.

    Can any member shed some light on how these trains operated, especially the "joining up" or "combining" at Irving, if it happened there.

    Also, if you happen to know, whose roundhouse in Dallas turned the SL-SF power; was it the Terminal Company's?

    I really appreciate any information as to how this service was run at the time.

    Jim VT
  2. frank462

    frank462 Member

    Jim -

    The wye is still there.

    As far as the trains go contact Ed Seay at MAL Hobby Shop in Irving, TX at (972) 438-9233 or (972) 579-2904. I don't think he is a member of this list.

    He may or may not be able to help you but he might be able to point you in the right direction for an answer.

  3. Bear

    Bear Member

    For many years, Frisco did not operate passenger trains south of Sherman. At Denison, thru cars for Dallas and Fort Worth were set out to be handled by the Katy. (Frisco used the Katy passenger station at Denison until circa 1950.) Northward, the cars were carried by Katy trains from Dallas and Fort Worth to Denison for pickup by the Black Gold originating in Sherman. The Katy trains to/from Dalas and Fort Worth were separate trains--the Dallas trains ran via Greenville; the Fort Worth trains ran via Denton. I don't know when Frisco extended its passenger runs south of Sherman and discontinued the arrangement with the Katy, but someone else here might know.
  4. urogers

    urogers Utah Carroll Rogers

    Jim I worked at Union Terminal in Dallas from 1951 to 1957 and then went to work for the SLSF out of Fort Worth. Retired from the BNSF in 1994. in the year 2000 I worked as a conductor on the TRE until 2003.

    From 1951 to 1957 the Black Gold arrived on track 2 at 7:00 am and about eleven we turn the complete train on the Y that was where the Reunion BLDG is located.

    (The y would hold seven cars of other trains and then we had to run around the y with the old engine. )

    Balck Gold was then put back into track two and put on steam, it departed at nine that night.
    Dalton Coooper was the fireman and Odis Sweet was the Engineer, the Conductor was Carl Nelson and the brakeman was Regnel Gary.

    We had 32 regular trains each day. Ham Young was the day yard master and Mr Shanklin was 2nd trick. Third trick was Mr Cowsert (miss spelled). Olin Deguagh was ddayligh engine foreman. Ernest Green was engine foreman on the 2nd shift.

    Our turn table and round house was just south of Cadiz street. They later built a building over that area.

    Utah Carroll Rogers
    Arlington, Texas
    817 275 5099
  5. Joseph Toth

    Joseph Toth Member

    I find it interesting that the Katy fowarded Frisco passenger cars that terminated on Frisco rails at Denison. Much like the Texas Special in that both roads worked together. I wonder if any Frisco operated passenger trains made a stop at Frisco or Carrollton when they did run south of Dension to Dallas and Ft. Worth over their own rails?

    I worked with a T.A. Jacobs on the ATSF in Dallas from 1968 until my move to Germany in late 1976. He had worked for DUT as a switchman until he got cut off the DUT board (ca. 1957) and then hired out with the Santa Fe. I paid him a visit in 1981 when I returned to Dallas for my first visit after moving overseas. He had taken a buy out and was drawing RR retirement. I doubt if he approved of the BNSF mess just like most Frisco Folks don´t! I no longer have any contact with him so don´t know if he is still with us or has passed on to the big roundhouse in the sky just beyond the Big Rock Candy Mountains?

    Joe Toth

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