Stock Pen Std Plan October 1913

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  1. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Stock pens may have been as common as depots. When I peruse old drawings its not that uncommon for a stock pen to exist even where a depot doesn't.
     
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  2. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    This is swell, Karl!

    The Sanborn Map I have for Hayti gave general outside dimensions of the stock pen at that location. This plan will go a long way toward getting the job done.

    Anyone ever model a stock pen from scratch? I don't seem to see too many of them modeled; yet my 1925 station guide has upwards of 20 pages full of stock pen information on the SL-SF. Perhaps they're too generic - seen one, seem them all?

    I think they'd be a good candidate for spotting a car or two, but I do not know how often locations outside of ranching areas would have been orders for MTY stock cars to be loaded.

    However, I digress. Perhaps another thread in the making.

    Many thanks for sharing, Karl!
     
  3. TAG1014

    TAG1014 Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    How late did stock pens (and stock cars) last on the Frisco?

    Tom
     
  4. LongHornCaddy

    LongHornCaddy Member

    I have some much better pictures but I'll need help from my wife to post them. Hope this helps some?
     

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  5. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Nice modeling, L.H.C.!

    I especially like the hay rack. Of course, after looking up the data, Hayti's stock pen did not sport a hay rack. At any rate, the track plan is shaping up so that I can spot 2-4 cars there.

    I've put in a message for some of the Chaffee folks regarding the stock pens at that location. I've not been able to find any maps or charts showing where they were located. However, if I'm reading the 1925 guide correctly, it was a rather vast complex with:

    • 8 87'x101' pens
    • 4 64'x72' pens
    • 1 chute and 1 alley
    • Water supplied by hydrant with a water trough
    • no hay racks
    • no scales

    Thanks again for sharing the photo - looking forward to more!
     
  6. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Stock Pen Retirements Northern Division

    Frisco Stock Car Roster by Year

    1934-1438 cars
    1935-1397 cars
    1940-1064 cars
    1945-740 cars
    1950-721 cars
    1954-436 cars
    and...
    As of January 1, 1961 the Frisco had 66 single deck stock cars and 10 dbl deck stock cars. By 1967 they were gone.


    I looked through my Northern Divisoin B&B records and I have the following dates for stock pen retirements.
    Ret=Retired
    Rblt=Rebuilt
    Par=Partial Retirement, 1 or more pens retired
    Extant= Facility still in existance circa 1955-58

    Merriam Rblt 26 Ret ??
    Lenexa Ret 10/11/24
    Lackmans Rblt 1/7/49 Ret 12/24/52
    Olathe Ret 47
    Bonita Rblt 40 Extant
    Ocheltree Rblt 21 Ret 33
    Springhill Par 45 Extant
    Hillsdale Ret 44
    Paola Rblt 24 Par 34 Ret 45
    Henson Ret 2/28/49
    Fontana Extant
    LaCygne Reblt 27 Par 45 Extant
    Boicourt Ret 3/10/49
    Pleasanton Par 45 Ret 51
    Linton Ret 7/25/25
    Prescott Extant
    Fulton Par 45 Extant
    Hammond Par 34 Extant Shown in Banwart's Ft Scott Book
    Ft Scott 3 stock Yards
    Native-13 Pens, 3pens Ret 29 Extant
    South Quarantine Yds 14 Pens Extant
    Other 7 pens Extant through 58 appears in Banwart's Ft Scott book


    Rich Hill Ret 7/17/25
    Sprague, Crabb, & Hume Ret 27 on account of Br Line Abdnment

    Garland Par 41 Extant
    Arcadia Extant
    Last Chance Ret 8/25/24
    Liberal Ret original 45 Rblt 45 Extant
    Iantha Extant
    Lamar Par 45 Rblt 45 with wire Extant
    Kenoma Extant
    Golden City Extant
    Lockwood Par 54 Extant
    S. Greenfield Extant
    Everton Extant
    Ash Grove Par 47 Extant
    Bois D'arc Extant
    Elwood Ret 5/7/33



    Greenfield Extant
    Pennsboro Ret 5/6/33
    Miller Extant
    Mt Vernon Extant



    Anna Extant
    Farlington Extant
    Girard Extant
    Beulah Par 38 Ret 4/48
    Cherokee Rblt 1/23 Ret 50
    Scammon Ret all except chute and Platform ??
    Columbus Extant Ret Scale 29
    Miami Rblt 20 Extant


    Waco Ret 8/28/43
    Lone Oak Blt 33 Extant
    Asbury Ret 42


    McCune Extant
    Monmouth Par ??
    Strauss Extant
    Laneville Ret 4/14/28
    Dennis Extant
    Mortimer Ret 7/10/25



    Wentworth Ret 7/10/25
    Sarcoxie Extant
    Reeds Ret 7/22/27
    Carthage Ret 45
    Carl Jct Ret 33
    Crestlien Ret ??
    Hallowell Ret 8/26
    Oswego Ret 41
    Altamount Ret 47
    Mound Valley Extant
    Cherryvale Rblt 4/18 Extant
    Brooks Ret 50
    Neodesha Rblt 24 Extant
    Fredonia Par 47 Rblt with wire 47 Extant
    New Albany Ret 8/21 New 8/21 Extant
    Fall River Par 46 Rblt with Wire 46 Extant
    Severy Par 47 Extant
    Blodgett Extant
    Beaumont Ret 46 Rblt 46 Extant
    Keighley Rblt 10/25 Expanded 39 Extant
    Leon Rblt 24 Expanded 45 Extant
    Haverhill Ret ??
    Augusta Par 1/22/45 Extant
    Lorena Ret 9/3/25
    Andover Rblt 9/19/16 Ret 6/28/22 Left Platform and Chute
    Valley Center Ret 43
    Coleman Extant
    Bentley Rblt 2/17 Extant
    Patterson Rblt 2/27 Ret ??
    Burrton Ret 51
    Buhler Ret 51
    Medora Ret ??
    Carter Spur Ret ??
    Matheson Rblt 3/17 Extant
    Wherry Ret 9/9/25
    Saxman Par 43 Ret 2/20/53
    Pollard Ret 7/25/28
    Frederick Ret 9/18/25
    Lorraine Rblt 5/27 Extant
    Ellsworth Ret ??


    Empire Ret ??
     
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  7. billkarisch

    billkarisch Member

    I'M SURE STOCK PENS WERE BUILT IN AREAS THAT DID NOT LOAD CATTLE, BUT WERE USED TO REST CATTLE ON THE WAY TO MARKET OR PROCESSING PLANTS. STOCK CARS WERE ALSO USED TO MOVE HORSES AND MULES FOR FARMING AND TRANSPORTATION. MY GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS A HORSE TRADER IN WICHESTER, TEXAS (SA&AP). HE HAD 15 ACLES OF PENS AND STABLES, BUYING EQUINE STOCK AT THE FT. WORTH STOCKYARDS, HE WOULD SHIP/RECIEVE AS MANY AS TWO OR THREE LOADS AT A TIME. AS A SIDE NOTE, TURKEYS WERE RAISED "FREE RANGE" IN THE COTTON BOTTOMS OF TEXAS, WHERE THEY WOULD EAT THE BUGS OFF PLANTS...BUT NOT HURT THE PLANTS. THESE LARGE FLOCKS WERE HERDED ON HORSE BACK AND SHIPPED LIVE IN STOCK CARS, AT LEAST BEFORE "GOOD" REFRIGERATION CAME INTO EXISTANCE. I SUSPECT THE CARS WERE PREPARED WITH SOMESORT OF WATER TROUGHS OR FEEDERS BEFORE SHIPMENT. I BET THEY WERE LOADED AT A STANDARD STOCKYARD CHUTE.
     
  8. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I just rediscovered this thread, and am jubilant to find that the Olathe stock pen was not retired until 1947. Now I have to figure out how to selectively compress it into the available footprint that we've modeled up to this point.

    Karl, had you posted standard plan drawings previously on this thread? I don't see any attachement and am wondering if it may have disappeared inadvertently? I'm hoping that I printed any drawings out when you first posted this, and that I have them filed away in my Binder O' Drawings.

    Best Regards,
     
  9. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Chris,
    It seems that at times attachments become lost during site upgrades. I will repost.
     
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  10. Brad Slone

    Brad Slone Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Might be worth mentioning that stockcars were also commonly used to haul various types melons during harvest season.
     
  11. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Oops! That shouldn't be happening these days. ~mike
     
  12. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Very worth while to mention that, Brad. I'd like to say that I knew this, but I didn't!

    Any thoughts on the latest possible dates this may have occurred? Certainly not after 1967 based on Karl's chronology of stock car numbers.

    I've seen other road's vented boxcars that were specifically designed to handle melons. So, having a stock car carded for this type of shipment makes perfect sense.

    Best Regards,
     
  13. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Here it is
     

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  14. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Many thanks, Karl. When we were not at soccer or the Sunday Cardinals' game, I spent time either laying track or trying to figure out how in the world I'm going to compress the Olathe stock pen, freight house and Champlin Oil Co. into my available space. This plan should help me considerably.

    Best Regards,
     

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