I am looking for an original VHS copy of SG Video "Ship it on the Frisco". Not the one with the dubbed trains sounds, but the original one that had the Aaron Copeland Rodeo/Billy the Kid background music. Anyone out ther have one they'd be willing to part with for the right price?
Hello John: I am sorry, I don't have a VHS copy. But, I do know that Steve Goen is planning on releasing a fresh version of "Ship It on the Frisco." It will be a DVD and probably will come with a slideshow as well. I will let the Forum know when it is ready. John Wichita Falls TX
Late 70's - early 80's. Shortly before and just after the merger with BN. Covered mostly the Davidson branch, the QA&P, and a bit of the Madill sub over Lake Texoma and Sherman. Included some footage of the salvage operations on the Quanah Route. The first release did not have "sound" per se, but had the soundtrack from "Billy the Kid" and "Rodeo" for background. This is the one I am looking for. It was later re-released with dubbed sound, like many other videos. I have the later version with the dubbed sound. If Steve re-releases it on DVD, it will no doubt be with the dubbed sound. The musical version was arranged in different image sequence. It fit the music quite well. I find videos with endless road crossing horns rather annoying. This one was quite unique and enjoyable.
All the recent flap about copyright infringement, etc., brings up some interesting questions. If someone scans and posts an ad or a page from a timetable, is that copyright infringement? Is a Frisco timetable the intellectual property of the BNSF? What about all the slides we purchase at train shows and on ebay? If we don't have proof that the slide is the sole property of the seller, did we just make an illegal purchase? I am involved in the local theater. Every script we use has a page and a half of requirements that we have to follow regarding font sizes and such for acknowledgements when printing our playbills for shows. The music we use is specifically purchased for theater use. Then, this morning, it hit me.........what about the very video I am seeking? "Ship it on the Frisco" with the aforementioned soundtrack? Was this video produced legally? Was copyright release obtained to use said music for the video? Complex questions for today's railfan and group member. Perhaps we should be careful what we wish for. Perhaps we should give complete thought to matters before drawing our philosophical swords. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.........
possibly.... of course copyright law is only used to protect items that are created for the purpose of an outside sale. I'm not sure how copyright applies to internal corporate documents (like timetables) which are primarily used to conduct business. Since items like timetables were never sold by the company, there is no expectation that those items will generate income in their own right, ... Most (all?) damages you are allowed to sue for are related to loss of income due to the infringement. If there was no expectation of income from the work produced, then there is no loss of income when something like a timetable is copied. Possibly, though as a purchaser, you're not at fault. It's the person who made the copy who is liable for any damages (loss of income...). We hope that the video's producers did go to the trouble to get the appropriate permission(s) for the use of any audio used in the video OR that the sounds used were released to the public domain (i.e. the producer of the sounds gave up all rights to the audio). But again, this is an issue between the producer of the video and any copyright holders for the audio used. For those of us who purchase the video, we won't be held liable for any damages. Paul
Howdy, I think we've about covered all the copyright issues. Paul has a keen understanding of the rules and has responded to the questions, so I don't expect much more discussion about it. As far as promoting the Frisco, I'm not sure where this whole thread is headed. Let's redirect our discussions to the FRISCO, not the law behind what a vendor may have done years ago. It is out of our jurisdiciton, so to speak. Thanks for clearing up this topic. Best regards, mike
I filmed one of my trips when I worked on the train between Irving to Tulsa. I need to see if I can locate that old film. I filmed it sometime between 1980 and 1985. Utah
