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Northeast Oklahoma (NEO) Railroad Cabooses

Discussion in 'Cabooses General' started by renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013), Aug 14, 2005.

  1. renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013)

    renapper (Richard Napper RIP 3/8/2013) Passed away March 8, 2013

    Two Northeast Oklahoma (NEO) railroad cabooses are preserved, SLSF 1110 and SLSF 1111.

    I think they use to be caboose NEO 55 and caboose NEO 56.

    Does anyone know if this is correct?

    Which caboose is was which?
     
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  2. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Caboose SLSF 1111, ex-NEO, sitting at the Newburg Historical Society building, Newburg, MO.

    Photograph taken around 1990.

    The caboose is still there, and is still in decent shape.

    Can anyone confirm the original NEO number for SLSF 1111?

    Ken

    Edit: More of caboose SLSF 1111 at this link.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/showpost.php?p=9451&postcount=5

    klrwhizkid
     

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  3. slsf903

    slsf903 Member

    You were close.

    The Northeast Oklahoma (NEO) cabooses were numbered NEO 54 and NEO 55. Not sure which one was which in the renumbering to Frisco.

    The other NEO caboose is in Ft. Scott, KS in a park.

    If you drive through town on U.S. 69 Highway, you will see it on the west side of the road.
     
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  4. slsf903

    slsf903 Member

    I just saw a photograph of four Northeast Oklahoma (NEO) Railroad cabooses.

    They appear to be numbered NEO 53, 54, 55 and 56, although it is hard to read the numbers on the caboose most distant from the camera.

    I do not have rights to the photograph, so I cannot post.

    Sorry.
     
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  5. mark

    mark Staff Member Staff Member

    Richard and Steve,

    The Northeast Oklahoma Railroad (NEO) owned and operated 4 home built, center copula cabooses.

    They were all of common design and built in 1947 at the NEO's shops in Miami, OK. The original numbers were NEO 53, 54, 55 and 56.

    After the Frisco acquired the NEO in 1967, the cabooses were renumbered in the 100 series. At least numbers SLSF 162, 163 and 164 was used.

    The cabooses were renumbered again in 1968 due to the Frisco's new computer system. They were assigned road numbers SLSF 1110, 1111, 1164 (1st) and 1186 (1st).

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
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  6. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Mark,

    So, if I understand the NEO cab to SLSF numbering,

    NEO 53 = SLSF 162 (?) = SLSF 1110
    NEO 54 = SLSF 163 (?) = SLSF 1111
    NEO 55 = SLSF 164 (?) = SLSF 1164
    NEO 56 = SLSF ???? = SLSF 1186

    Is this correct?

    Ken
     
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  7. mark

    mark Staff Member Staff Member

    Ken,

    Unfortunately I do not have specific caboose to caboose numbering documentation on the NEO cabooses.

    The information I provided is based on photographic documentation.

    Hopefully, we will be able to find more specific information to document these and other Frisco caboose numbers and renumbering.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
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  8. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    Thanks for posting a photograph, because it reminded me of one I saw on Mike Condren's web site that had the same design.

    Scroll to about half way through the page. The cabooses are in order via road number. Please see the following link.

    http://condrenrails.com/Frisco Catalog/Caboose.htm

    Come to think of it, I have a caboose with that similar design, only with split cupola windows.
     
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  9. slsf903

    slsf903 Member

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  10. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks!

    Nice photograph.

    Sure wish we could link each NEO caboose to their SLSF numbers just for historical purposes.

    The only one I have ever seen is SLSF 1111 down in Newburg, MO.

    I would like to know its NEO origins, as well as the other three.

    Do we know where the SLSF used them?

    Did they use them?

    Ken
     
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  11. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Ken,

    There is a photograph of one of them, caboose SLSF 163, in the Nick Molo book, Frisco / Katy Color Guide To Freight Equipment, page 123.

    He says the Frisco kept them around their old home territory.

    It was photographed at Miami, OK.

    Tom
     
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  12. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Tom,

    Aye, you are correct!

    And, I found two Mike Condren photographs of SLSF 1164 sitting in Viburnum, MO on the lead belt line.

    Ken
     
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  13. slsf903

    slsf903 Member

    That is correct.

    Frisco kept a couple of the Northeast Oklahoma (NEO) engines and cabooses on NEO territory for many years. As of 1975, they were still around Miami, OK.

    The Frisco kept NEO as a quasi-separate entity at least through the 1970s. The Northern Division timetable showed a separate trainmaster for Miami and one of the NEO officers was shown in company literature as a special assistant to the president of Frisco.

    NEO's offices stayed open at 4th and Main Streets at least until the 1970s. Frisco had a separate agent at the Miami depot at Central and D Streets in the old passenger depot on the main line.

    Two events changed all this. One was the closure of the lead and zinc mines through the 1960s and 1970s in the Picher area. The huge "chat" or tailings piles were sold and transported out by train. The state of Kansas bought the largest of these piles near Commerce, KS and used the chat for road construction throughout the state.

    The second event was the closure of the B. F. Goodrich tire plant in 1987. Goodrich was the largest customer on the southern end of the NEO. They brought in carbon black and shipped out boxcars of tires. See my posting on the NEO operations.

    Until those two closures, the NEO kept two engines and two cabooses at Miami. I did not see the other two engines or cabooses much, although I am sure they came down to Miami for servicing.

    NEO had a working engine house at 4th and D Streets in Miami for many years.
     
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  14. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I have been chasing photographs of former NEO Frisco cabooses this afternoon.

    Beats cleaning the basement, my orders for the day!

    I have found photographs of ex-NEO cabooses SLSF 162, 163, 1110, 1111, 1162 and 1164.

    The Molo book says they were ultimately numbered 1110, 1111, 1162 and 1163.

    I question that, since there are two Condren photographs of ex-NEO caboose SLSF 1164.

    Ken
     
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  15. 1143

    1143 Member

    Former Northeast Oklahoma (NEO) Railroad caboose in Fisher Park at Ft. Scott, KS.
     

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