SD45 - Units With Standard Rectangular Engineer's Windshield - Original L Shaped Window Replaced

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  1. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Do I remember reading or hearing of one of the Frisco's SD45s that was involved in an accident which resulted in the engineer's windshield getting replaced with standard (non L-shape) windshield.

    If so, which one?

    I have a project in mind.
     
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  2. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Which SD45?

    I have found a picture of BN #6664 still in Frisco livery with a standard window. It was formerly #915, but the question is, when did it ge the cab re-work?

    Same applies to BN #6656, formerly #906, and I also have photos of #901 and #914 with a standard windshield.

    Can anyone shed light on when these units were converted?
     
  3. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Which SD45?

    Keith, p. 117 of "Frisco in Color" shows #915 in February, 1979 near Koshkonong, MO with the L-shaped engineer's window still intact.

    There is a separate caption accompanying a 5-25-1979 photo of #922 at MP 196 of the River Division, sporting the L-window. The caption notes: "The 'L' shaped engineer's window is conspicuous, but increasingly expensive to maintain at this point. From 1979 to the end of independence, there was a program afoot to replace them with conventional glass."

    An accident would certainly seem to be a convenient reason for a window replacement.

    The Cannon & Co. thinwall cab kits from years ago used to include an option for an L-shaped window. Do they still even manufacture/market these kits?

    Best Regards,
     
  4. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    Re: Which SD45?

    I have used the window posts from scrap or extra Athearn cabs to do this modification before. Just be sure that when you cut the post off the donor cab, you cut it so the post will fit around the curve at the bottom of the cab window opening having a nice straight line for the glazing in front of the hoghead. I suppose a person could use Cannon for that modification too, might be even easier.
     
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  5. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Which SD45?

    Cannon 191-1501 is a Dash 2 50/60/70 series cab, possibly not exactly the same used on the SD45, but it looks like it comes with two front walls, one with the L-window, one with a standard window.

    Cannon 191-1502 is a 35/40 series cab, with only the square front window wall.

    FYI.

    Ken
     
  6. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I thought I'd bump this thread to see if we can get more information relating to when any of the SD45s got their original engineer's windshield replaced.

    It looks like most of the conversions happened post November 1980, but that is only going by most of the pictures I have seen.
     
  7. kdedgin

    kdedgin Member

    On page 142 of "Frisco Diesel Power" by Marre and Harper there is a photo of SD45 901 with the replacement window. The caption states a date of photo as October 1979. Marre says that this was an engine that had been in an accident with the nose section having been rebuilt.
     
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  8. RogerRT

    RogerRT Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I show the 901's window replaced 1/24/79, there was another #924 (I think) with a 4-piece windshield. Most of the others were done by BN after the merger.

    Roger
     
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  9. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    Another stroll through the archive led me down the rabbit hole on this topic, so I'll add some info to this old thread.

    Let's start with the two units I can confirm received 4 piece "standard" windows before the merger, 901 and 914.

    http://frisco.org/mainline/wp-conte...901-location-unknown-location-in-May-1980.jpg

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    http://frisco.org/mainline/wp-conte...Tulsa-Oklahoma-on-August-9-1980-Gene-Gant.jpg

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    If you zoom in on the photo of 914, you can see the metal post in place on the engineer's side. This is what got me started tonight, I had only heard of 901 having a 4 piece window.
     
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  10. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    Earlier in the thread, Keith wondered if 915 had been rebuilt. I can say with 99% certainty that it was not rebuilt before the merger. We have an archive picture dated 11/11/80 that shows 915 with an L shaped window. I am willing to believe the date is correct, because there's a couple other photos of 915 from 1980 that also show it still having the L window.

    http://frisco.org/mainline/wp-conte...sa-Oklahoma-on-November-11-1980-Gene-Gant.jpg

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  11. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    906 was also suggested. We don't currently have any archive photos of 906 in 1980, so no evidence to work with. The 1979 photos show it still wearing an L shaped window.

    924 is an interesting case. The only front picture currently in the archive was taken February of 81. While it has a 4 piece window at this point, I think it was modified post merger when the patch job was applied. To me, it looks like there's fresh paint specifically where that metal post was welded in. The grime on the unit tells us the whole unit wasn't repainted when the replacement took place, indicative (to me) that the shop didn't plan for the red and white stay on this unit much longer.

    http://frisco.org/mainline/wp-conte...-Oklahoma-in-February-1981-Don-Heisberger.jpg

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    That's all I have for now. If I come up with anything else, I'll come back and update this thread.
     
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  12. Collin M

    Collin M Member

    I did a google search to attempt to find other images of SLSF 906 hoping there would be one from 1980.

    I found this e-bay page selling a photo of SLSF 906 claiming it to be from 07/1980

    It clearly still has the L shaped window in this photograph.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/284390896764

    (Edited to upload the image downloaded off the e-bay page so you can see it when the thing gets sold on e-bay.)
     

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  14. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    That was the Frisco way!

    I have seen spot touch ups on countless engines.

    Andre
     
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  18. Iantha_Branch

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    Next, lets take a look at 945. We have a picture of it with a 4 pc window in 81 after being patched. There is an undated slide of 945 still wearing it's Frisco number, paired with a green BN unit, and it still has the original window at that time. Without a slide date, I can't be 100% sure about it, but I'll make a reasonable guess that the picture was taken shortly after the merger. This would lead me to believe the window was changed out when the unit received its BN number, probably in January of 81.

    http://frisco.org/mainline/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/SD45-945-location-unk-slide-dated-12-81.jpg

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    http://frisco.org/mainline/wp-conte...o-947-date-and-location-unknown-Al-Chione.jpg

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  20. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    Similar case with 947. We don't have any pictures from the last few months of Frisco ownership to know for sure. We do have a picture from January 1981 of the unit patched with a 4 pc windshield. There's enough grime on the patched in piece of metal an argument could be made it was added before the merger. I'll let the audience at home make their own call on this one.

    http://frisco.org/mainline/wp-conte...Nebraska-on-January-28-1981-Jerry-Bosanek.jpg

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