Olathe, KS, Kansas City Subdivision, MP 20.5

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  1. jimlee2u

    jimlee2u Guest

    When was the Frisco depot in Olathe torn down?
     
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  2. jimlee2u

    jimlee2u Guest

    Anyone know when the Frisco Depot at Olathe, Kansas was built?
     
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  3. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Olathe, KS
    Built 1885 according to one source, and in 1887 according to another. At least on the Northern and Eastern Divisions, it was one of the first small, rural depots to receive indoor plumbing and 110 volt, 2-wire electric lighting.
     

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  4. railroadguy65

    railroadguy65 Member

    Olathe, KS :)

    1924 Sanborn Map

    Old postcard view.
     

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  5. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Olathe, KS

    Do you guys know if the Olathe depot would have been rebuilt or extensively remodeled?

    If this photograph is Olathe then I am wondering if the B&B crew hacked it down a bit similar to what was done at Ft. Scott, KS, Springfield, MO and other locations during the depot modernization kick?

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/showpost.php?p=8909&postcount=6
     
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  6. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    FYI,

    I am in Olathe right now; another weekend with our little granddaughter, Addi, her mom and dad. Fun!

    The BNSF does not seem to be as active as usual this visit.

    Hope that is not another indication of the state of our economy!

    Ken
     
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  7. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

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  8. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Frisco Folk,

    Are there any photos out there of the old, separate baggage room and storehouse at Olathe, KS?

    See the Sanborn map above. It sat to the south southwest of the circa 1887 depot. I have a floor plan of it via the Frisco depot floor plans from Louis Griesemer, as posted to Mike Condren's website.

    http://condrenrails.com/Frisco/Station Floor Plans/Kansas Stations/list.html

    I had originally figured that I would not have room to model this building, but after laying track and sketching out the depot platform at Olathe, it will certainly fit.

    With board and batten exterior, I could probably imagineer the structure similar to how Karl has done with the old KCC&S engine house at Olathe.

    http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread...CCS-Eng-Hse-Olathe-KS&highlight=Olathe+engine

    I thought I would check first on any possible photographs.

    Best Regards,
     
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  9. Rancho Bob

    Rancho Bob Member

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  10. Rancho Bob

    Rancho Bob Member

    Olathe, KS

    That version for 1943 may well be correct.

    I am given to understand that the Frisco remodeled many of their Northern Division depots like this in the 1930s.

    Scaling them down using transite siding, hex asphalt shingles, and so on.

    Rancho
     
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  11. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Olathe, KS

    I am about at the point that I can start depot construction.

    I had scaled down the platform size and depot/baggage house footprint for the original depot and adjacent baggage house, using the depot plans on Mike Condren's site.

    However, the proportions look out of whack for the available real estate. Consequently, I am going to go with Rancho's information and model the "new" Olathe depot. I have laid out the dimensions of the platform and I think it will look just about right.

    Plus, the depot should be a much faster build. I do think that I will have to wing it on the upper siding pieces and the windows. With care, patience and a good square, hopefully the siding will not end up catawampus.

    Note the 1953 photo above: it looks to my eye like the train order stand has 3 forks?

    Best Regards,
     
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  12. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Olathe, KS

    Good luck my friend.

    Get some progress pictures up as this project unfolds.

    Keeps the forum jumping.
     
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    tenmilevalley Member

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  14. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Olathe, KS

    Nice photograph.

    Chris, you are going to have fun building that roof.
     
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  15. Olathe, KS

    The July 1976 NMRA Bulletin had an article by Paul Moon, pages 39-42, about the KCFS&G Olathe depot and the baggage and express building.

    He states that the baggage room was built in 1885, and the passenger depot in 1887, which would make both years correct as "build dates".

    The article includes floor plans and detailed HO-scale elevation drawings of both structures.

    It also includes a few photographs of the shacks that replaced the original depot, but no drawings of them.

    Posting scans here would probably be a copyright violation, but it's likely you can order a copy directly from the NMRA library in Chattanooga, or possibly through interlibrary loan from your local library.

    If not, let me know and I will "see what I can do."

    Bradley A. Scott
     
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  16. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Olathe, KS

    These may be useful sans a detailed drawing.
     

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  17. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Karl,

    Even without a detailed drawing, the text information and bill of materials fills in all of the blanks.

    The annotations showing the "lineman's room" on the north-side waiting room, and what appears to be an extra commode added to the south-side restroom are interesting.

    Best Regards,
     
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  18. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Ultimately, I do think that I'm leaning toward the "newer" Olathe depot.

    I made 2 of 4 mock-up walls on Friday evening and I think it will look much better.

    It also so happens that I have just enough old Holgates and Reynolds (H&R) HO-scale brick that will make a nice-sized platform.

    I have some Plastruct brick sheets but am hoping to hold onto those for a model of Kansas City Terminal (KCT) Tower 5.

    Now, to get to work on it.

    Best Regards,
     
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  19. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Would the era being modeled dictate the depot's appearance or did it change during a time that your layout encompasses?
     
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  20. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Excellent question, Jim.

    The short answer: "Yes!"

    However, that is also my dilemma. What I know is:
    • The original depot and baggage house was constructed in 1887
    • A replacement depot was constructed at some time prior to circa 1955
    • My modeling "year" is 1943.
    What I do not know:
    • Exactly when was the replacement depot put up?
    So, in the absence of any specific information, I decided to figure out (a) which of the two iterations seems to "fit" better in the available space, and (b) which depot could I build reasonably quickly.

    The new depot is the answer to both (a) and (b), for me.

    It does stress me a little to not know exactly when the changes were made. However, I am already fudging from exactly prototype modeling on Olathe, so I figure I can allow myself this wiggle room.

    It is a slippery slope, eh?

    Best Regards,
     
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