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ANOTHER GREAT FRISCO RAFFLE!

New Kadee HO Boxcar Announced

Discussion in 'Freight Equipment' started by FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018), May 11, 2010.

  1. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    Kadee has just announced yet another road # of their popular 40' PS1 boxcar painted for the Frisco. Here are the particulars:

    SLSF #19034
    40' Boxcar, 8' door
    Built 1954, Factory New
    Red Oxide

    The car will also be equipped with Kadee's new 2 piece trucks.

    The stock # is 5293 and the MSRP is $33.95.

    I also need to mention that if any of you know you want this car for sure and haven't seen my post from yesterday (05/10/10) on another thread about great hobby shops you need to contact your pusher immediately and pre-order one. Kadee is one of the manufacturers that is taking pre-orders and then producing that many and a few more. Just reference the disclaimer under the month on all of the future listings on this link:

    http://www.kadee.com/ca/preorder.htm
     
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    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018), May 11, 2010
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  2. Rick McClellan

    Rick McClellan 2009 Engineer of the Year

    Great work Bob, thanks for the heads up. I got mine ordered. You can't have too many SLSF 40 ft XMs. Even when I was at Drury in the late 1970s, I saw these things all over downtown Springfield especially loading bagged feed at the MFA plant on Boonville. Not all got modernized and new paint. They were a little worn but still useful.
     
    Rick McClellan, May 11, 2010
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  3. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I ordered one too. I don't really need any more SLSF 40ft PS1's, but these Kadee's are so darn good looking it is hard to resist!

    The "Ship it" scheme is a classic.

    Ken
     
    meteor910, May 11, 2010
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  4. tmfrisco

    tmfrisco Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I also don't need any box cars, but toy train heaven has them for $28.88 so I can't let it go without ordering one. I wish they had more than one number as I could begin to upgrade my fleet by selling off some of the less detailed cars. The quality of all my Kadees is fantastic, but because of the price, I have to pick and choose which to buy. Terry
     
    tmfrisco, May 12, 2010
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  5. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I wish Kadee would do their very nice 34ft AAR 50-ton two-bay offset side hopper car in Frisco colors - either red oxide with the big coonskin logo or the earlier black car with smaller white logo would work for me (or both!).

    I have talked to Kadee about it - but they said they can't do the car in Frisco colors because of differences between the Frisco cars and their model. I'm not expert on hopper car details - does anybody know the deviations between the various Kadee models and what the Frisco had?

    Certainly a Frisco car would sell - Kadee has sold a whole lot of PS1's and PS2's in Frisco colors.

    Ken
     
    meteor910, May 13, 2010
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  6. pensive

    pensive Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Ken, I reread an article in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia 1, "1935 50/60-Ton AAR Two-Bay Offset Hopper - Part One, Circa 1934-1960" by Ed Hawkins to find an answer to your question. First of all series 90000-90499 had notched angular ends, whereas the Kadee model has flat ends. But common to all of the Frisco AAR hoppers was thier use of Enterprise Type 'D' door locks. To quote the article "The Enterprise Unit door latch is difficult to spot on the car because it is located at the bottom of each hopper door, not usually visible on a side view of the car. This latch allowed opening one door at a time for better discharge control. Enterprise also offered their Type D locking device. This mechanism is located on the downward part of the hopper bottom and operation is performed by inserting a steel rod to open or close the doors. The Enterprise Type D normally controlled a pair of doors, operated in tandem by a channel or other structural member fastened across the hopper doors. Frisco and Illinois Central were big users of the Enterprise Type D locking device." Kadee offers a model with Enterprise door locks but not Enterprise Type D. One can spot the Type D mechanism on a side view of the car by noticing the C channel connecting the hopper doors and the lack of hardware on the sides of the chutes. Kadee never made an Illinois Central version of this car either.

    Rich
     
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    pensive, May 14, 2010
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  7. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks Rich!

    I had forgotten that article in vol 1 of Pat & Ed's RPCyc - I'll go back and read it. Sounds like Kadee is correct - they can't do the Frisco (or IC) car because of not having the Enterprise Type D lock on any of their AAR hopper models.

    Too bad for Frisco modelers. But, this certainly shows the "true to the prototype" philosophy Kadee uses on their HO freight car models.

    Ken
     
    meteor910, May 14, 2010
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  8. pensive

    pensive Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I don't think Kadee will make a part unless they can apply it to several different models. Unfortunately, the Illinois Central car doesn't look anything like the Kadee model. According to a table in the RPC 1 article, one order of Southern hoppers also used the Enterprise Type D, but I don't know what they looked like. It's to bad, because other than the door locks, I don't see any differences between the Kadee model and the later orders of the Frisco AAR hoppers.

    Rich
     
    pensive, May 15, 2010
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  9. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    Ken, have you or anyone else directly dicussed this difference in detail with Kadee? What I would like to see them do since this was a major car on the Frisco and I assume roamed the rails in interchange service across trhe country would be to produce this as a triple pack with three road #'s right from the git go. That would give them (Kadee) the opportunity to produce triple the number of cars they normally would on a given run and may justify the parts change.

    Just a thought.
     
    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018), May 15, 2010
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  10. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I talked with them (via e-mail) about a year and a half ago, but not in great detail. They blew me away - said "no, can't do it, the Frisco cars were different!" right away, indicating to me they had already researched it pretty well. I didn't argue - until Rich pointed out the problem recently, I was unaware of the details behind Kadee's comments.

    Kadee is favorably inclined to do Frisco models, as they have enjoyed great success with them. For Kadee, great success means they sell out fast. That gives them the opportunity to do the same car in another road number so we keep on buying them. Notice how many different car numbers they have had for their Frisco 40ft PS1, their 50ft PS1 and their PS2 models.

    In fact, for a year or so, the first Frisco 40ft PS1 release (SLSF 18299 I think) in the Ship it scheme, held the record at Kadee for the fastest sell-out. I still think that is the best looking boxcar they have yet released.

    A red oxide 34ft 2-bay AAR hopper with the big coonskin herald would look just as good.

    Ken
     
    meteor910, May 15, 2010
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  11. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    I found an alphabetical listing of all of the Kadee boxcars ever produced and unless I counted wrong, with the release in August of the next 40' one our beloved Frisco will rank 2nd in the number of cars produced at 14. The leader is the ATSF with 15 and the BM has 13.

    http://www.rollinstock.com/kadee_archive.htm

    Also if my memory serves me correctly, someone on this list once said that the first SLSF boxcar ever produced was the fastest to sell out in Kadee history at that time. With their cutting back production it probably still doesn't hold that honor.
     
    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018), May 17, 2010
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  12. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I'm the one who noted that Kadee's HO 40ft PS1 SLSF 18299 was the one that held the record for the quickest sell-out time for a while. I've posted that comment a couple of times earlier and said it again my posting yesterday.

    That car was Kadee's first Frisco release. My contact at Kadee told me it was their sell-out record holder at the time I was talking with them about doing a Frisco 50ft PS1 using the same graphics as SLSF 18299. They did do the 50ft car - as SLSF 7600.

    The record was broken in about a year as I recall by a yellow and green 40ft Rutland (I think) PS1 which was one of the first multi-color cars Kadee did.

    BTW, the reason they did the 50ft car as SLSF 7600 (this is just my opinion from something they said) was to show-up Intermountain, who had released a 50ft PS1 kit as SLSF 7600 several months before. Intermountain screwed up the shape of the coonskin herald, making an otherwise nice kit not look right at all. I had two of these kits but had not built them. As soon as I saw the Kadee car I got rid of them on eBay.

    Ken
     
    meteor910, May 17, 2010
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  13. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    Ken:

    Thanks for the clarification. You're to be applauded for your work with Kadee. We need one more car to tie ATSF. Frisco Forever!
     
    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018), May 17, 2010
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  14. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I didn't have that much to do with it - they were apparently already working on the 50ft PS1 when I talked with them (though they didn't admit that at the time, but were very receptive to the concept). I did reinforce the idea the 50ft SLSF Ship it car would look as good as the 40ft, and would sell well. The car came out a few months later. It did sell well!

    Kadee is very secretive about what their future plans are, though they listen to ideas. The model railroad world was amazed when their 4th HO car was the AAR 2-bay hopper. That caught most folks by surprise. I was suggesting a 3-bay PS2. Shortly thereafter, Athearn and Walthers flooded the market with pretty good 3-bay PS2 models, so Kadee was (is) a lot smarter than I was (am)!

    Ken
     
    meteor910, May 17, 2010
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  15. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    I have always wished that they would do the modernized version with no roofwalk, short ladders, and the big coonskin. To me that would be a knock-out winner. Ken, have you or anyone else suggested this version or sent them any photographs?
     
    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018), May 17, 2010
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