The Eureka Springs & North Arkansas Railroad - Then & Now

This is my opinion from my post a WEEK ago.



Brian,

As a newcomer to this site, please note that this site is intended for the preservation of the Frisco Railway through photos, memorabilia, models, etc. While we may touch upon connecting roads, that is not our focus. That is why I recommended that your financial solicitation thread be removed from the site. It simply is not the right forum for the ESNA nor for solicitation of financial support.

Your desire to save or otherwise preserve the Eureka Spgs RR is admirable and challenging. Your decision to set up your own email is a step in the right direction. We welcome any contributions you might have related to the Frisco or the Eureka Springs operations with the Frisco.

Friscomike does a great service to this society by taking care of this outstanding website that we all care about. All members need to ensure that we keep the standards high and speak up when appropriate.




My opinion now is that Brian, you are welcome to join us in celebrating the Frisco but you are not welcome to celebrate another railroad on this site. You should start a site for that railroad. I am not sure how to state this more clearly.

 

Origionally growing up in "small town Arkansas", I always enjoy SOME information about other RR's, however that being said, I have to agree with Bob Wintle that this is too much information.

 

I agree with all that this is not the place to be soliciting funds or posting information about the ES&NA tourist railroad even though I have a personal connection with the M&NA, my grandfather worked for them as a telegrapher. Brian needs dedicate himself to collecting financial data and putting a sound professional business plan together before asking people for money. This site is dedicated to discussion about the Frisco and this thread has gotten way off topic.

John Chambers

 

Back in 2007 Jeff Cooney started a thread about the last remaining freight hauling portion of the RR that Brian is referring to entitled "Arkansas & Ozarks 1954" with some rare shots and great information. He DID NOT solicit money, send private messages to members, or anything else out of the ordinary. After some requests for more shots by members he did add some.
The difference here is that from the get go it seems that Mr. Waller's intention was solely to solicit money and he went as far as sending private messages to members doing just that. To me that crossed the line. My money goes to helping support this group and the great things it represents.

For what it's worth, that is my opinion.

 

Hello to all,

OK! I don't like some of the comment's that is being posted on this Thread. If you don't like what I am doing don't read this Thread, in another word "Go fly a kite". I am not at all doing the other stuff's that peoples think I am doing. I do have the permission from Mike "Friscomike" to do this. So if I don't hear from him, then I am still ok. Also I am NOT asking for help in this Thread.

I do know that The ES&NA RR is not a Frisco origin Railroad, but according to the history of the original ES RR without help from The Frisco RR the City of Eureka Springs, Ark., will never have it own RR. Also The Frisco RR was the second largest skockholders of The ES RR.

If anyone's want me to tell you all more history of all these RR that ran on The North Arkansas Line, then I can do that. But until someone's say that they want more history of these RR, then I will continue to post pictures of What The ES&NA RR look like today, also along with the History of this RR.

More Pictures and History coming soon.

Thanks,
Brian Waller
Railroads Historian
http://www.savingesnarailroad.com

 

Brian, theses guys get grumpy when you dont post things that they care about i know how you feel its all about them but wishing you luck with what your doing

 

Craigh - It's all about the Frisco, please check the title of each page. There are two Frisco emblems on either side of the "All Aboard" heading.

Brian - Please read the message to Craigh. You don't see the MP, UP, ROCK, ATSF, etc because this is FRISCO site. Please visit other railroad sites and see what their tolerance level is for foreign roads. Probably a lot less that you have experienced here. I recommend that you cut your losses by keeping future posts Frisco focused or start a website for your tourist railroad.

 

First off, the way that you gentlemen are conducting this is wrong, wrong, wrong. If you have a problem with the content of another member's post or thread, you should send that member a PRIVATE message voicing your complaint or issue. To be-little them on a public forum is absolutely rude.

Secondly, I have seen other threads that have NOTHING to do with the Frisco railroad. Here's an example: "What Else (besides Frisco) Do You Model?" "What Railroad (besides Frisco) Should Another Member Interchange With?" And my own thread from about two weeks ago "SD45 in Union Today", which concerned an SD45 in Union Missouri, on a former Rock Island subdivision. In my opinion, none of these threads had anything more to do with the Frisco than Brian's posts.

I believe that Brian offended some of you by "soliciting" with his first thread. Perhaps he shouldn't have done that here, and that I agree with. I related this to Brian in a private message and he was very receptive. I do not believe that Brian is soliciting with this particular thread. Brian has developed a passion for the Eureka Springs and North Arkansas. To confess, I had never heard of it before he started posting these messages. I believe that with this thread, Brian is simply trying to gain exposure and interest for "his" railroad. And the ES&NA does have at least one tangible Frisco artifact in it's collection, maybe more.

Finally, if you don't like Brian's posts, don't read them. I don't know of a more simple form of calming yourself than to just not read something that doesn't interest you.

I have found the way that this was conducted to be highly offensive. Brian is a young 23 year old man with hopes and dreams for a railroad in his locale that he knows is going downhill. I'm not in a position to offer much "help", but Brian does have my moral support, and I personally enjoyed the photos that he posted.

Pat Moreland
Union Mo.

 

Pat hit the nail on the head about how not to be offended or bothered by reading certain posts that have no interest to me. I just click on the post, and without reading it, click back to new threads, and "presto" it disappears until someone posts on it again at which time I go through the process again. I only read these tonight because I couldn't believe that someone was posting at 1:00am. I got up to let the dogs out, and as I do everytime I am on the computer, I logged in here. Wow, what has been going on on this thread (which I have not been reading until now) surprised me. Terry

 

Thank You, Pat for helping me out with this. I do appreciate it for what you have done for me here. Thank You, Pat.

I will be also be using this time to post more pictures of what The ES&NA RR look like today and also along with some more informations about the Steam Locomotives & the Diesel Switcher Locomotive. Enjoy.

Some of this informations I have already posted on here but I will post it again.

Locomotive #1 was built in 1906 by The Baldwin Locomotive Works, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Serial #29588, it was and still is a wood burner. It is a 2-6-0 (Mogul) and, engine only, weight 75,000 pounds.It will produce 200 pounds of steam pressure (p.s.i.) and 12,000 pounds of tractive effort (power). Locomotive #1 was originally used in the Northwest Texas Lumber industry, there it burn yellow pine slab wood. Later when part of The Scott & Bearskin Lake Railroad in Scott, Ark., it burned sycamore and other local hard woods. Here in Eureka Springs, Ark., it burn white and red oak, and hickory. One of the last operational wood burner in The United States, it consumes up to 1-1/2 to 2 cords of Ozark hardwood in a full day's operation. It cabbage-head stack is unique and was designed to serve as a spark arrester. Retired in the late 1990's because of an expensive boiler rebuild mandated by the state boiler inspector.

Locomotive #201 was built in 1906 by The American Locomotive Company of Patterson, New Jersey, specifically for the construction of the Panama Canal. It operates on up to 185 pounds of steam pressure (p.s.i.), which produces 21,000 pounds of tractive effort. The Tender will hold 1,300 gallons of oil and 2,500 gallons of water. The engine was a coal burner when new, but was converted to use of oil during World War 1 when it was feared that coal would become scarce. Locomotive #201 is also a 2-6-0 (Mogul) and weighs 125,000 pounds (engine only) - added a fully loaded tender and the weight rises to the neighborhood of 200,000 pounds. This Locomotive was originally built to run on five foot wide French-liad rails in Panama. Locomotive #201 was converted to standard gauge (4' 8' 1/2") when it was returned to The United States. One hundred of these engines were built by The American Locomotive Company in 1906. There is only three in existence today. Retired in the early 21st century because of an expensive boiler rebuild mandated by the state boiler inspector.

Locomotive #226 was built in 1927 by The Baldwin Locomotive Works, Philadelphia, Pennsyvania. it is a 2-8-2 (Mikado) wheel arrangement. The engine weighs 130,000 pounds, with a loadede tender it approaches 200,000 pounds. It was originally a coal burner, but later was converted to use oil as its fuel. It operates at 180 p.s.i. and is super-heated. Locomotive #226 has a relative modern Walschaert valve gear arrangement, and it also has piston valves. Locomotive #226 has always been a "display" engine at The ES&NA RR never restored to operating condition.

Locomotive #4742, an 0-4-4-0 first-generation diesel switcher, SW1, built in 1942 by The Electro-Motive Division of General Motors in LaGrange, Ill. Serial #1379, 34,000 ld tractive effort. The only remaining functional locomotive on-site, now handles both passenger excursion and lunch/dinner trains.

The ES&NA RR also have a small narrow gauge locomtive. Locomtive #35, 0-4-0 narrow gauge (24 inch) switcher, built in 1935 by Buescher & Sons in Berlin, Germany, Coal burner converted to oil. used atop a somtime rotating sign to advertise The ES&NA RR.

Shot 1: Locomotive #1, when The ES&NA RR was using it.

Shot 2: Locomotive #201, when The ES&NA RR was using it.

Shot 3: Locomotive #226, under restoration, never restored to operation condition.

Shot 4: Locomotive #35, used atop a sometime rotating sign to advestive the railway.

Shot 5: Locomotive 4742, The only remaining functional locomotive on-site, along with the only functioinal passenger coach.

More information's on the passenger coaches, dinner train cars, along with pictures coming soon

Some of this information's came from my website.

Also if you don't like what I am doing here, Don't read this Thread.

Thanks,
Brian Waller
Railroads Historian
http://www.savingesnarailroad.com