SLSF #1062

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  1. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    #1062 KC, MO Mar 1967
     

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  2. mark

    mark Member

    Please see this link for a photograph of Frisco passenger car single window coach SLSF 1062.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/citizenkerr/4299261820/sizes/l/

    The coach was moved from Jenks, OK to the museum in 2006. It can be viewed from N. Harley St.

    The passenger car is on display at the Drumright Historical Society museum. The museum is based out of the 1915 Santa Fe depot. The car is located on the north side of the street, just northwest of the depot. Please see http://www.drumrighthistoricalsociety.org.

    At this location there is also an as yet unidentified Frisco 1100 series wood caboose. Please see http://www.drumright.net/museum2.htm.

    Please help us with any information that can help identify the specific car number, additional history or chain of custody information for this caboose. The caboose was acquired from an area family who had used the car as a guest house on their farm.

    The address is 301 East Broadway, Drumright, OK 74030.

    Please see http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...11,354.58,,0,5

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
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  3. gbmott

    gbmott Member

    I'm really glad to see the photos of 1062. For quite a long time it alternated with 1068 as the regular coach on 709-710. I remember it well, partly because of the similarity of its number with that of 1602 that was the regular snack car, but also because it had trucks with integral cast pedistals and unit brakes. I had no idea the car was still in existance.

    Gordon
     
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  4. mark

    mark Member

    Please see the following link for a photograph of Frisco coach SLSF 1062.

    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1090513 (3/15/1995)

    The car at the time of this photograph was located in city park in Jenks, OK. Jenks is a suburb of Tulsa, OK. The car has subsequently been moved west to a museum in Drumright, OK.

    The passenger car is on display at the Drumright Historical Society museum. The museum is based out of the 1915 Santa Fe depot. The car is located on the north side of the street, just northwest of the depot. Please see http://www.drumrighthistoricalsociety.org.

    The address is 301 East Broadway, Drumright, OK 74030.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
  5. jefferyam

    jefferyam Member

    Now the 1967 photo of the 1062 in KC, MO that SIRFOLDALOT posted IS the actual 1062 and IS the car that we have at our museum in Calera, AL. Im not sure what the other car numbered 1062 is that is shown painted green and read in photos in this topic is, but I cant imagine Frisco having more than one heavyweight coach with the same exact number. I know ours is correct because it is the same number that the car had on it when Frisco donated it to the museum probably not too long after the photo posted from 1967 was taken.
     
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  6. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    I wouldn't know anything about cars after they had left the Frisco. I've heard there was some mis-numbering and mis-naming after certain pieces of equipment had left the Frisco, but that's beyond my scope of interest. There are others on this chat board that are more focused on following the cars after they were sold or donated and maybe someone else here has more information.

    Tom
     
  7. jefferyam

    jefferyam Member

    I know, I cant speak for the other car either, but I know for a fact ours is the actual 1062 because it was lettered that when Frisco gave us the car and equipment on the car is all numbered 1062 as well. Perhaps someone will post with further information as to why the green car is numbered incorrectly.
     
  8. fr613

    fr613 Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I first visited the Jenks coach about 14-15 years ago and was surprised find it was numbered 1062, since I knew that the real 1062 had been in Alabama for many years. After examining the car closely, I decided that it was actually the 1064. The business located inside the car, which I believe was the Jenks Chamber of Commerce, had some photos of the car when it was delivered to the site painted in Frisco MW silver, with an MW number clearly visible. I can't put my hands on the MW list at the moment, but when I looked up that number, I found that it was the former 1064. Also, it had, or still has, I suppose, the number 1064 on each truck sideframe. I think I remember the numbers were on small steel plates riveted to the truck. The last clue is that photos of the 1062 while it was in service show that it had 3 vertical riveted seam plates on the lower body panels. This car doesn't. Neither did 1064 when it was service. I'm not sure why it was misidentified, because the the original numbers were usually legible under the MW paint.
     
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  9. gbmott

    gbmott Member

    Jeffery

    Do you have a photo of 1062 as it appears today that yo9u could post on this site? Also, do you all not also have the "Glendale", snack car 1603 that ran for a period on the Texas Special?

    Gordon
     
  10. Rancho Bob

    Rancho Bob Member

    Photo of #1062 taken today (5-19-2012) at the R&LHS Meeting visiting the Heart of Dixie Museum in Calera, AL. Interior is wonderful...exterior, .....eh. Courtesy of Larry Goolsby

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    Rancho Bob
     
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  11. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    The colors are fairly close to the 1940's "look." Blue, a little faded, roof should be "dove" gray and the stripe along the bottom should be same as the lettering (Imitation gold). But hey, it's lucky not to have been melted down to razor blades...

    Tom G.
     
  12. Rancho Bob

    Rancho Bob Member

    EVERYTHING at this museum needs a paint job!!!

    RBob
     
  13. jefferyam

    jefferyam Member

    You want to show up with a paint brush and help?

    Everything might need a paint job to you, but for us, we are glad that some of it is still operating. We are working on painting MANY things right now. In the past couple of years we bought two derelict C&NW bi level cars to have seats for our high capacity events. One is a parts car, and the other after MUCH body work was repainted to the original as delivered C&NW paint scheme. Last year, we totally reworked our Long Island commuter coach. This car had to be not only PAINTED as you complained about, but had to have the entire floor removed down to the center sill and support beams and a new floor installed. All of the vinyl upholstery was replaced. One side of the car had leaking and foggy plastic windows that we had replaced with glass. In addition the generator had to be rebuilt, some A/C work had to be done, and one vestibule rebuilt, so there is a lot more to "everything needs a paint job" than just slapping on some paint.

    Yes in recent years, a well meaning but misguided leader had our Frisco Coach repainted, albeit in a close but not accurate paint scheme and in a terribly poor quality paint applied by even poorer quality painters. We are not proud of this but have to do things as we can afford to do them and when they can be taken out of service long enough to do the required work, not to mention finding people that can do the work needed. We are an ALL VOLUNTEER museum so we do what we can with what we have. When we have money, we contract out some of the work which is the case in painting being done now. Have you ever had to try and find someone even willing to come give a price on painting a piece of railroad equipment on site? or at a price you could afford? It is not an easy prospect. Sometimes you wind up with those that claim to be able to do a quality job and you get what we had on the 1062's last paint job, and then when all works out, you get a good painter like we are currently using. You cant just look up "Passenger Car Painters R' Us" in the phone book and call them up and have them run on over and do the job. It is much more difficult than that.

    Currently we are painting our operating SW8 locomotives. One is finished, the other is in the shop. Although in for paint, we found out that an engine component needed replacing, so that is going to be $6,000 out of our resources. This locomotive is still scheduled to be out of the shop in the next week or two and back running our regular weekend trips.

    After that locomotive is done, the painters are going to move to a vintage display locomotive we have that is a 1937 Alco diesel. We spent much time and money and had a lot of metal work done, new additions that weren't correct to its 1937 delivery look removed, and the locomotive has been blasted and primed.

    After that you should be happy to note that our 1910 ACF built Frisco Coach 1062 will be in line for refurbishing. This car is used constantly by us on our weekend and special event trips so taking it out of service has to be coordinated. We recently had the upholstery replaced to make the car more pleasant for our riders. We plan on repainting the interior in the new future as well. You have to realize that "needs painting" is a poor and ill informed statement. In order to paint for example, this car has some metal work that needs doing, we are trying to find a contractor to build and install a full set of windows that are metal but look like wood. We have built FOUR sets of windows for this car since the museum got it in the 1960s and the time has come to find a more economical and longer lasting replacement while keeping the historic character of the car. In order to install windows, metal work needs to be done on EVERY window opening. As with most all heavyweight cars we also need to address some rust and bulging at the belt line. We plan on painting the car back in its Pullman green type paint scheme. We have to figure the cost of the windows and all of that out so painting may have to wait till next year if we spend money this year on windows and other repairs to get ready for paint. I think we should be given a great deal of credit for keeping the car in regular service almost since the 1960s. In fact the 1062 has been IN SERVICE since 1910 except for shopping/modernization, etc. so that says a lot.

    You also need to realize that being an outdoor museum in the SOUTH with all of our rain and humidity, things will ALWAYS need painting and somewhat higher levels of maintenance than equipment in other areas of the country. So to sit at the computer and say that "everything at this museum needs painting" is totally unnecessary and unjustified, IF you bothered to find out what was planned and the logistics and finances around which those changes have to take place, perhaps you would have a different outlook on things.

    Also being a non profit museum and therefore subject to new presidents and boards on a rotating basis, you sometimes get one or the other that want to do the right thing and other times you get one or the other that just doesn't. We made a change to by-laws recently to be able to keep a president a longer term to provide some consistency and stability to enable "PAINTING" and other things to occur. You are still welcome to sign up to come help with your paint brush at any time you like.

    I know not everything mentioned is Frisco related, but maybe this will give some insight into what it takes to do things that might look simple to those on the outside.


    Sorry to have to climb up on my soapbox, but it needed to be said!
     
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  14. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I'm glad you got on the soapbox! Maintaining RR equipment is a never ending chore that eats time and money constantly. And inevitably someone will tell you what you need to be doing.
    Been there, done that and have the Tee shirt somewhere.
    Everything is easy if somebody else is doing it.
     
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  15. gbmott

    gbmott Member

    I post this from the Heart of Dixie Railroad Museum. They have done a nice job of repainting/restoring 1083, a coach that late in its life was a regular on 704-709.

    Gordon

    SLSF 1083.JPG
     
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  16. magistrate

    magistrate Member

    Re: SLSF 1083

    I belive that Heart of Dixie says that is coach 1062.
     
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  17. gbmott

    gbmott Member

    Re: SLSF 1083

    You're right, of course. 1068 was the other coach assigned to 704/709 at the same time and I just wasn't thinking.

    Gordon
     
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  18. jefferyam

    jefferyam Member

    Re: SLSF 1083

    Here are a couple more photos of the 1062 that two of our museum members did as a photo shoot. 20141018-IMG_0508.jpg 20141018-IMG_0601-Edit.jpg
     
  19. John Sanders

    John Sanders Member

    Re: SLSF 1083

    Very nice work. Nice to see the proper diaphragms restored rather than the now-common plastic tube diaphragms.

    John Sanders
     
  20. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Car Diagram of 1062


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