Muley Type Cabooses

Discussion in 'Cabooses General' started by rjthomas909, Jan 2, 2020.

  1. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

    The Muley Type Caboose from the diagram book at:


    Included data:

    It would appear that there was a wide range of car numbers (224-939, non-consecutive).

    Would anyone have?
    • A picture of one that they would care to share of this type?
    • A list of numbers rather than the range?
    • Original build dates?
    • Models built? Apparently a "Frisco1522" named "Don" posted one on Trainboard...hint, hint! ;)


    -Bob T.
  2. w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021)

    w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021) 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

    Brad Slone (MMR) has modeled this caboose type. Doug
  3. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

    Image from All Aboard - Volume 3, Number 12 May, 1989

    SLSF-Muley-Caboose-All Aboard-Volume_3_No12-May-1989.png
  4. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

  5. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

    Jeff Cooney posted these on Facebook. Adding here for reference:

    Caption from Jeff was: "Noted on reverse, Loc. 140 at Fontana, Kansas, X-George Dodson. ETT No. 33, August 5, 1917, Local 140 was carded to leave Kansas City at 2 PM arriving in Fort Scott at 6:15 AM. Interesting that it appears the train number is displayed in the caboose cupola."

    110176785_1692347090913960_3028399229674310571_o.jpg 110231433_1692347064247296_2438363386284183573_o.jpg


    -Bob T.
  6. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

  7. w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021)

    w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021) 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

  8. w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021)

    w3hodoug (Doug Hughes RIP 03/24/2021) 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter

    Have HO models of 109 and the Hallmark caboose.
  9. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

    From Richard Crabtree, Frisco Rails Across Missouri FaceBook:

    Here we are somewhere along the Frisco's New River Division between St Louis & Lilbourn. This new division stretched from Saint Louis, Missouri to Memphis, Tennessee by 1907.
    This photo taken around 1905 was on part Frisco/St Louis ~ Memphis and Southeastern Line.
    We see Frisco No. 388 2-6-0 Mogul Class built by Cooke Locomotive Works in 1898 (as S. L. & G No. 20) along with St Louis ~ Memphis and Southeastern No. 15 Caboose
    Photo courtesy of State Historical Soceity of Missouri
  10. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Supporter
    timothy_cannon and rjthomas909 like this.
  11. timothy_cannon

    timothy_cannon Member Supporter

    Stolen right out of Joe Collias' copyrighted book.
  12. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Says "photo courtesy of State Historical Society of Missouri" as to "ownership".

    I suspect that Joe Collias used the photo by permission and you are correct in that the book as a volume is under copyright, however, a specific photo used within the book, seems to me that's not as cut and dried.

    Old photos are difficult to "own"... unless one has the original plate/negative. IMHO, you can own a copy (print), but the owner of the negative actually "owns" the photo as he/she holds the source for all copies of the negative.

    Understand that I'm no lawyer/etc, but it's my understanding that after several decades, such photos become PUBLIC DOMAIN unless the current owner of the negative/etc actually files for copyright and such. But I will say that in my (worthless) opinion, historical photos ought to belong to "history" and thus historians can view the photo, even retain a digital copy of the photo, and not be tied up by the "this is MINE and you can't SEE IT" mentality. There are literally thousands of photos that are in the hands of "enthusiasts" that will NEVER see the light of day or be shared with others because of that mentality. Perhaps the "owners" intend to do something with them someday, or perhaps they think they've got a gold mine (why, these are worth $$$!)... but instead they never do a thing with them and they go to the grave with their collection of historical photos in folders and boxes never to be seen by history enthusiasts, modelers, what have you.

    Also, "typically", once a photo hits a museum or "historical society", they view it as a cash cow and charge quite a fee for a copy. Been there, done that, several decades ago. Paid outrageous prices to a "historical" museum to get a few poor prints of the the photos I wanted copies of. Never again.

    It's a complicated situation.
  13. rjthomas909

    rjthomas909 Member Supporter

    Shall I delete this one?
  14. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    It is my understanding most photos 75 years old and more fall into the common domain unless someone specifically pursues copyright protection. They must be the holder of the original image (negative).
  15. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    As long as that photo has been around and as often as it's been published/posted, had I been the one that posted it, I would let it ride unless the Admin requests it be removed.

    So many of such photos have been out there so long and reused so often, how would one EVER find out who truly owns the negative or the original image??
    Sirfoldalot and modeltruckshop like this.
  16. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Caboose 401 Chaffee MO 8-33.jpg

    Attached Files:

    pensive, Sirfoldalot, qaprr and 5 others like this.
  17. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Two from my negative collection. Chaffee: Photographer unk. Springfield: SLSF
    Steve Hunt and rjthomas909 like this.
  18. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Wonderful pics, Don.

    The "Muley": Were they originally "blind end" cabooses that were modified to have a small platform for safety reasons, or what? I see the name "Muley" appears on the SLSF schematic of same, but where did that name come from?
    Sirfoldalot and modeltruckshop like this.
  19. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Supporter

    Don, the photo of 401 in Chaffee is a real gem. Thank you from this Chaffee-ite.

    Somewhere in my "Isle of Misfit Toys," I have the core of an old SP LA & SL caboose that shall be the core of a kitbash. 401 is a must-have.

    And Bob, I think this may be turning into one of my favorite threads of all time.

    Best Regards,
    Sirfoldalot and rjthomas909 like this.
  20. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Supporter

    Indeed, a gem. Thanks Don
    Sirfoldalot and rjthomas909 like this.

Share This Page