Last Frisco diesel to be dipped in green (BN)?

Discussion in 'Diesel General' started by mikecheck79, Feb 9, 2011.

  1. mikecheck79

    mikecheck79 Mike Landis

    I know BN was pretty quick to erase much of the Frisco image soon after the '80 merger. Does anyone know when BN repainted the last SLSF unit into the green scheme? I know there were a lot of Frisco cars and cabooses out there in the mid-80's. I was just a young kid then. I remember rolling stock- but can't recall seeing any diesels in Frisco paint.

    Thanks!
     
  2. HWB

    HWB FRISCO.org Supporter

    GP38-2 451 repainted to BN 2306 in August 1983

    Memphis TN - 03/06/77 - (Terry Foshee Photo) - {Bill Phillips Collection}
     

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  3. mikecheck79

    mikecheck79 Mike Landis

    Thanks HWB...
    I didn't realize it was that early that the last diesel was repainted! It's kind of interesting- considering the BN/ATSF merger was more than 15 years ago, and there are obviously still lots of BN and Santa Fe diesels running around in their original paint with patch jobs.
     
  4. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    A thought: BN + ATSF = BNSF involved a whole lot more locomotive units in total, and (almost) all of them needed/need to be repainted into the new "pumpkin" colors.

    It was a merger of equals and there is as big of a Santa Fe lobby in the organization as there is a BN lobby, and I would think the ATSF lobby is more powerful. ATSF was a better run railroad than BN at the time of the merger.

    In the case of BN + SLSF = BN, it was not a merger, but a gobble-up. Fewer units in total to repaint, many of them old (NW's, SW's, GP35's, U25's & U30's), and (other than in operations), not a powerful Frisco lobby internally.

    Just a theory.

    Ken
     
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  5. HWB

    HWB FRISCO.org Supporter

    The difference was BN/ATSF was a merger. BN/Frisco was a takeover. The identify of the taken over over is quickly washed away in most cases.
     
  6. slsfrr (Jerome Lutzenberger RIP 9/1/2018)

    slsfrr (Jerome Lutzenberger RIP 9/1/2018) Engineer Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

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  7. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I'm not talking about the economic viability during downturns of each RR's service territory, but instead who is best at serving their customers and getting trains over the rails efficiently and safely - ATSF or BN. Krebs was the best RR leader of the early 2000's, and his ATSF was a better run RR than was BN at thetime of the merger. I do not claim to have all the operating statistics here - this is only my opinion.

    It continues today - look at a BNSF stack train vs a UP stack train today, for example - there is a clear difference. (Anybody know what?) Mr Buffet picked the right RR to take over. I maintain that was due to ATSF influence more than BN influence. I know a certain BNSF VP, who continually laughs at UP operating practices.

    I admit to having an ATSF bias regarding major transcon RR operating practices. I was a major bulk cheical shipper during my industry time.

    Ken
     
  8. wmrx

    wmrx MP Trainmaster

    I didn't know the BNSF (prior ATSF?) had so many top operating employees that were kin to the Einsteins. Please, enlighten us as to how they do intermodal so much better. :confused:
     
  9. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I don't want this to become a "UP vs BNSF" thread - being way out of the scope for frisco.org postings.

    But, what I was told in discussions with a BNSF VP I sat next to on a flight from Mexico City to Dallas a few years ago (very nice guy, still there), was something like: "BNSF works very hard on efficiency. Take stack trains as an example - BNSF stack trains have almost every car loaded with two, or four, containers, i.e., the car is usually fully loaded. UP, on the other hand, rarely runs a stack train with all the cars fully loaded. Lots of examples of UP cars with only one, or only three, containers on the car. That makes their trains longer with more rolling and wind resistance, needing more power, more fuel and more cars." That's what he said, and he should know.

    I since have had frequent chances to pay attention to stackers going through Kirkwood on both roads - my observations generally confirm what the VP said to be the case.

    I'm not knocking the UP - I'm a UP shareowner and a UP fan and long time sustaining member of the UPHS. I used to be a BNSF shareowner as well (in part from being a Frisco shareowner in the 1970's!), but Mr Buffet recently made me an offer I couldn't refuse. I remain an ATSF fan and a sustaining member of the ATSF HS also, so I work both sides of the street.

    Ken
     
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  10. bootheel

    bootheel Member

    For some reason I thought GP-50 3100 was the last unit painted in BN colors.
     
  11. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    I think 3100 was the last unit delivered in the Frisco colors wasn't it? 'Course it might also have been the last painted in the BN colors??

    Tom
     
  12. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

  13. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    What were the last legit Frisco units (pre-GP50's) delivered on o/w colors?

    SD38-2's? GP15-1's?

    Ken
     
  14. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    In reverse order:

    (1) SD-38-2's 6/79 (See Below)
    (2) GP40-2's 6/79 (See Below)
    (3) SD-40-2's 7/78
    (4) B-30-7's 12/77
    (5) GP15-1's 9/77
    (6) MP15DC's 3/75
    (7) U30b's 3/75

    These are the months when the last locomotives in the series were shipped as some overlapped months.

    Quote from Marre's "Frisco Diesel Power"

    "SLSF 773 was the last road locomotive to be shipped to the Frisco proper, but SD38-2 unit SLSF 299 was the very last locomotive shipped to the Frisco. The last four units placed in service by the Frisco were 297, 299, 773, and 774, all placed in service June 21, 1979."

    Bottom line:

    Shipped date: SD38-2 #299 (6/18/79)
    In Service Date: Tie between two GP40-2's and two SD38-2's (6/21/79)
     
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  15. wmrx

    wmrx MP Trainmaster

    I agree.

    In all honesty, the ATSF had intermodal down to a science. They were way ahead of the game as compared to any of the western roads, including BN, long before the last round of big mergers. I'd be willing to bet that BN wouldn't have done as well as it did if it were not for the talents of a few good former Frisco managers. :D

    Some of the issues you pointed out on the UP come more from a marketing standpoint, rather than operating. I've seen some insanely close gate times at various UP ramps. Those partially empty cars you see are "insurance" for an on time departure with all those last minute trailers/containers.

    We now return you to our regularly scheduled Frisco programming.
     
  16. tomd6 (Tom Duggan RIP 2/11/2018)

    tomd6 (Tom Duggan RIP 2/11/2018) Passed Away February 11, 2018

     
  17. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Green & Black=Forest products and coal.

    Tom
     
  18. HWB

    HWB FRISCO.org Supporter

    you know Frisco bought those SD40-2's for pool coal service with UP. I think, and Ive stated this before that The Frisco would have started to subscribe to the six axle EMD train of thought. It was unavoidable. The -2 was not a SD45 with that high maintance prime mover. Frisco management would have seen what the competition was running and how well it was working and ordered more. They would have realized the GP50 was a mistake. Picture if you will four of the -2's speeding a TOFC across the Salt Creek bridge at Keystone Lake on the Avard Sub..sweet
    FriscoSD40dash2_955West_878_5.jpg

    I know that's Oakhurst but you get the picture
     
  19. brianmcfa

    brianmcfa Member

    This was the last to be painted BN green but were there other spun off to short lines or elsewhere that stayed in the red and white?
     
  20. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Some Frisco units (GP7s) went to the North Western and remained in orange and white at least for a short time. Don't know off the top of my head what the date was, though, although the Utah Rails website would have it listed.

    GS
     

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