Kirkwood, MO, Rolla Subdivision, MP 12.7

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  1. Mike.P

    Mike.P Member

    Thanks!

    Glad I did not spend the money.
     
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  2. XMOP

    XMOP Member

    It is interesting to see how close together these stops are to each other.

    To add one more, I thought that I saw a stop named Rose Hill, but cannot locate the source right now.

    If it was also on this Frisco line, would it have been at Rose Hill and Filmore?
     
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  3. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    No Frisco stop at Rose Hill, at least not in June, 1931.

    But not so for the Missouri Pacific Railroad. Rose Hill, MP 14.0, was the next stop west after Kirkwood, MP 13.5. Only one of the MoP's eleven commuter trains stopped there, though.

    There was indeed MoP commuter service between St. Louis Union Station and Creve Coeur, MO Two trains daily except Sunday. 15 stops, several of them only a minute or two apart.

    No Frisco commuter trains between St. Louis Union Station down the St. Louis Subdivision on the River Division, at least not in June, 1931. The only regular trains were No 805 and No 807 (west) and No 806 and No 808 (east).

    Numbers 807 and 808 stopped 27 times between St. Louis, MO and Chaffee, MO.

    Numbers 805 and 806 were more deluxe - only six stops to Chaffee, MO.

    Ken
     
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  4. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    The Rose Hill and Fillmore intersection seems logical for a suburban train stop on the Frisco through Kirkwood, except the South Kirkwood and Fairlawn stations would make it redundant. These two were quite close along the tracks in either direction.

    If the MoP Rose Hill stop was 0.5 west of the Kirkwood depot, that would place it near the Geyer Road crossing. There is room for something like a station or platform along the tracks on either side of Geyer Road.

    Some more historical society or library-diving is in order.
     
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  5. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    WS,

    Name the day, I will join you!

    Ken
     
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  6. Mike.P

    Mike.P Member

    If you can make it a Wednesday afternoon, I can join you.

    I volunteer at the Kirkwood depot on Wednesday mornings.

    Mike P
     
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  7. bhugh

    bhugh Member

    Coming in late here.

    According to the blueprints in the Missouri State digital collections, the first floor Kirkwood station was "reduced in size and move across track". This is handwritten in red ink.

    Also, the plans for the second story are crossed out with an X in red ink, again handwritten.

    I interpret this to mean that the top floor was removed entirely, and the first floor was reduced in size and moved.

    So the photograph here might indeed be part of the original Kirkwood depot, the remaining reduced size first floor.

    https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/Depots/id/823


     
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  8. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    This is very nice to see.

    Not a photograph, but easy enough for a mental construction of the building. Remember, this two-story depot burned around 1930 and the building from Anaconda, MO was brought to Kirkwood to replace it.

    The Anaconda building was on the north side of the track until 1949, then it moved to the south side.
     
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  9. sunnyland

    sunnyland Sunnyland

    I do remember a Kirkwood depot for Frisco, Dad drove there one time, just a small building and nothing like MoPac Kirkwood depot.

    It is still there, bought by the city and used by a model railroad club, I remember Dad taking me there to see the trains, they had one section in the depot, now they are much larger, as they occupy the whole depot. Frisco Webster Groves station was much nicer and larger.

    I have never seen the Meramec Highlands depot that is now a private residence. Wanting to find out more about it led me back here after being absent for a few years.

    I did hear later that old Kirkwood depot was torn down after Frisco stopped running passenger trains. Mom used to ride the commuter train to work downtown at the General Office.

    There was a Lindenwood depot close to her house. I have seen a picture of it, a stone building. The commuter trains stopped running sometime in the 1930s.

    Missouri Pacific kept theirs running until 1960s.
     
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  10. sunnyland

    sunnyland Sunnyland

    I found out to put up an avatar too, this bridge is still used by BNSF on the old Frisco St. Louis Subdivision, River Division going south.

    It is on National Register and has to be maintained and repainted. Always enjoy seeing it, not far from my house.

    I live close enough to Lindenwood Yard that Dad always walked to work, only a few blocks.
     
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  11. Windsor Springs depot in Kirkwood, MO.

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  12. Kirkwood, MO.

    Frisco 2-story depot until 1930.

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  13. Kirkwood, MO depot.

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  14. fredman23

    fredman23 Member

    Tell the dimwits not to foul the track!
     
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