Ash Grove Sub, Aurora Branch in HO

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  1. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    I have been working on the spousal unit in order to obtain one of the now spare bedrooms for the purpose of housing a small layout. She is starting to weaken, so I have started to scribble. I won’t have a lot of space, so I am leaning toward a Frisco branch line, and for the moment I like the Aurora Branch, and in particular the segemnt between South Greenfield and Greenfield, because it has several design elements that appeal to me.

    • The grade from South Greenfield to Greenfield reached its maximum at 3.6%. That means short trains are the norm.
    • The Aurora Branch crossed the Ash Grove Sub at grade, and it was protected by a manual interlocker. As late as 1930, one of the Frisco Employee Magazines reports a “leverman” on the branch. The crossing and interlocker were retired shortly thereafter, but before the line was severed between Miller and South Greenfield. Freight and passengers interchanged between the branch and the Ash Grove Sub. Two interchange tracks were in place, but only one will be modeled.
    • A small engine facility - Greenfield had a one stall engine house and Prairie-type (gallows) turntable, which was later replaced with a wye.
    • A Bull Moose provided shuttle service between the Greenfields to meet the mainline passenger trains. This element benefits an early time-frame.
    • Cooper’s Bridge Rating: Aurora Branch, E-50; Ash Grove Sub 70.4. By the ‘40’s the branch could handle 1306 class 2-8-0’s, and the Ash Grove Sub could handle the 4200’s, the 4300’s, the 4400’s and the 4500’s.


    My first draft proposes a bi-level layout with hidden staging to represent, Aurora, KC/Ft Scott, and Springfield.
    Rule 1 Assumptions:

    • Although the layout could be built for and operated as a 1920’s or earlier layout, it will be geared toward a transition-period time frame.
    • The entire Aurora Branch has managed to avoid abandonment…raw milk from points north for delivery to Carnation at Mt Vernon is handled via specially assigned express reefers. It is the equivalent to the Highline Chick Service.
    • Daily, except Sunday, mixed service survived to Aurora.
    • Greenfield industries and facilities represent a hybrid of old and new. An all-time list of Greenfield industries include: Mill, Grain Elevator, Automobile Ramp, Lumber Yard, Bulk Oil Dealership, Stock Pens, Lumber Yard, Propane Gas Dealership, Electric Coop Pole Yard, and perhaps at an earlier date, a COOP Power Plant. The small engine facility continues to serve as the base for motive power on the branch. The turntable is gone, but the pit is still evident. The wye has been omitted.
    • South Greenfield industries include a Grain Elevator, Stock Pens, and a Team Area. One of the side tracks on the east side of the mainline has been omitted. When the branch was severed the tank was retired shortly thereafter; it will be retained on the layout plan.
    • Traffic levels dictate that the interlocker has survived. The tower is called GN (Greenfield and Northern) Tower.
     

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  2. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    Re: Ash Grove Sub, Green Branch in HO

    I think it looks great and well thought out. Time to get busy with the Department of Land Managment and work out the property rights.
     
  3. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    What is the size of the room, what are its dimensions and the locations of obstructions (i.e. doors, windows)? Be mindful of reach into upper level over lower level.
     
  4. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Hope it works out.
     
  5. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Karl, I'm very intrigued with the idea of a multi-deck layout, sans helix. I'll be very interested to see the layout as it progresses.

    I think that the Frisco's multitude of branch lines makes for the perfect modeling subject for the layout builder with "zoning restrictions," or even for the modeler with, say, a 3,000 s.f. unfinished basement.

    Best Regards,
     
  6. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Chris,

    I have seen several published multi-level layouts that do not use a helix to move from one level to another. In general, these were large layouts, which had sufficient space to gain/lose elevation without the use of severe grades. I think the Aurora Branch's 3.6% climb from South Greenfield to Greenfield is the perfect design element for a small, multilevel layout. In fact, in order to get sufficient clearance for the staging area, I may have to push the 3.6% to 4.5% or maybe 5%. It's a bit of a caricature of the real thing to be sure. For a line that began its existance with 4-4-0's and later used small ten-wheelers, the steep grade offers operational challenges in a small space.

    ROW easement discussions continue. The wife is talking about putting a "sideways" Murphy bed in the room. Plans may change.
     
  7. Oldguy

    Oldguy Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I looked into a no-lix design, but the grades had to be between the towns and in the same place for each level. That would put all operators crowded into the same area and, in my case, put a 3rd level at one end. I am no fan of the helix, but will have to bite the bullet and put one in.

    But in my case, the CEO had me put in a separate train room.:)
     

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  8. SteveM

    SteveM Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Karl, when you get the SR VP of Real Estate in agreement, let us know some of the particulars about the space. I've operated on some fun small layouts and always enjoy a design challenge.
     
  9. DanHyde

    DanHyde Member

    Hmmmm, lets see. Gray siding with white trim! Yep, your new depot will look very good!!
    Dan
     
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  10. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    One of the operating highlights of my proposed layout will be the Interlocking Tower GN (Greenfield & Northern) at South Greenfield. After reading Kalmbach’s “The Model Railroader’s Guide to JUNCTIONS”, I wanted to create a working interlocking machine. The text describes how to build an interlocking bed from styrene to control SPDT slide switches, which in turn control Tomar double-headed upper-quadrant semaphores and a switch-point derail. Hump Yard Purveyance (http://www.humpyard.com/) makes miniature interlocker levers, which will round-out the interlocking plant.


    As shown in the attachment, the GN plant will have 4 double-headed semaphores and a one, switch-point derail. The derail is included to prevent any run-aways from coming down the 4%+ grade from Greenfield and causing mayhem. Nine levers will control the 8 semaphore blades and the lone derail. The book provides a good basis for designing the Interlocker Bed; however, I was surprised to see the wealth of info on the web for designing an Interlocking Bed.


    The schematic of my Interlocking Bed and the GN Tower Model Board are also on the attachment. The schematic is just a first pass, and I may be able to reduce the number of dogs that engage the tappets.
    In order to clear a route through the plant for trains on the Aurora Branch, the derail (Lever 5) must be closed first. This unlocks levers 6, 7, 8, and 9, and locks levers 1, 2 ,3, and 4. When lever 6, 7, 8 OR 9 is reversed, the derail tappet is locked. To clear the Branch route the process is reversed.



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  11. Jim James

    Jim James Staff Member Staff Member

    This will be very impressive. Sounds like it'll be tedious to build but the payoff will be tremendous. Good luck with your project.
     
  12. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

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  13. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Now this is model railroad operations! I'll look very forward to following the progress of the GN plant, Karl.

    Best Regards,
     
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  14. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Hi Karl!

    What was decided about space? Any news to report concerning a layout?
     

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