4-6-2 1056 with old time baggage coach combine (Posted in Frisco Archive 7-11-15)

Discussion in '4-6-2 Pacific' started by TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020), Jul 13, 2015.

  1. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    I know, I know, the moderator doesn't like Archive comments here, but I didn't see any way to post a comment in the Archive section. Anyway, I have a copy of that photo (By Arthur Johnson), it's a train (#?) arriving at Tulsa in the late 1940's. FYI.

    Tom G.

    PS: I can't locate my passenger car diagram book, if I remember that wooden combine lasted quite a while into the diesel era.
     
  2. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The Texas and Pacific Freight House and the signal bridge are a problem for Tulsa...

    I believe that this is at Tower 106, Dallas Union Station. The inbound train is on the very nice art deco concrete overpass of Elm Street, Main Street, and Commerce Street. Infamous Dealey Plaza is off frame to the right.
     
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  3. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    You're correct Karl, I haven't been able to locate my snapshot of that photo. I had it mixed up with another of Arthur's photos.

    Tom G.
     
  4. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The Baggage & Coach, which is behind the locomotive is one of the Mar 1911-built AC&F cars from the 180-199 series. The cars underwent extensive rebuilding during their careers; cars 189-193 received air conditioning. Seven cars were extant as late as 1959; all were off the roster by 1962-63.
     
  5. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Tom and Karl or others, any thoughts on what train this might have been?

    Best Regards,
     
  6. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The Dallas section of the Black Gold
     
  7. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The Baggage & Coach Combine in the consist as well as its placement within the consist is certainly a curiosity. One is tempted to dismiss the car as some sort of one-off movement.

    However if we look at one of Mike Condren's aerial images, http://condrenrails.com/Frisco/Frisco-Varnish.html (scroll to the bottom) , we see another look at the Black Gold at Beggs, OK. Trailing the 1518 is another Baggage & Coach. The notion of a one-off movement seems to be erroneous, and we are given to speculation about this car.

    The southbound trains split at Dennison, and depending upon the era, the Diner or Buffet-Lounge was left in Dennison. During the late 40's the Buffet-Lounge operated between Tulsa and Ft Worth. If the southbound train was handled by a 1500, because of lighter bridge ratings south of Dennison, it was cut-off at Dennison, and Ten Hundreds handled the separate sections into Dallas and Ft Worth.
     
  8. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    As always, Karl, thanks for the insight and especially for the operational context.

    Looking more closely at the photo, 1056 has the larger sand dome (c. 1943 modification) and the cab and tender seem to be missing the striping, which would seem to place it in the early-Hungerford, perhaps? Considering that the coach windows are arched, it certainly makes for an incongruous pairing.

    Best Regards,
     

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