1067 W/Elesco FWH

Discussion in '4-6-2 Pacific' started by frisco1522, Jan 16, 2011.

  1. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    I knew if I dug hard enough I would find this print. It was taken in Monett in Aug of 1927. She is still a coalburner.
    Picture by H. Westbay
     

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  2. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Thanks Frisco. I appreciate the pic. That helps a lot. Now I have a basis for putting the Elesco's on my two Pacific's.
     
  3. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Neat photo Don. What kind of wheel is that on the pilot truck front axle?

    Ken
     
  4. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Looks like one that has been slinging grease and dirt.
     
  5. Brad Slone

    Brad Slone Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Don,

    Great photo, but I'm kind of glad the Elesco FWH didn't catch on with the Frisco, kind of gives her the look of a snobby northeastern road! Interesting trucks on the tender as well, they seem a little rare for the Frisco as well.

    Brad Slone
     
  6. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    Were those the same kind of trucks as on the streamlined Firefly engine's tenders?

    Tom
     
  7. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    Yep, High Speed Commonwealth trucks.
    I would have liked to see the FWH bundle on a bracket out front like the T&P. Would have made a whole lot better appearance.
     
  8. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    I would argue that the Firefly engines got more than the trucks off the 1060's. Based on the dimensions in my diagram book, it sure looks like the Firefly locomotives got the 1060's tenders.

    The 1067 with the Elesco FWH has a face only a mother could love; I am glad that experiment wasn't repeated.

    It appears that in this 1927 image, the 1067 does not have doric striping of any variety.
     
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  9. gbmott

    gbmott Member

    Good thing it's not the end of March, Don, or you might have had folks accusing you of foulplay! I agree that extending the bundle over the front and perhaps also moving the bell to the smopkebox front like the MoPac 6600's would have improved the appearance, but I think the best answer was to get rid of it. I've forgotten, did the 1060's get Coffin feedwater heaters when they were rebuilt, similar to the 1350's?

    Gordon
     
  10. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Do you happen to have an engineer's side picture of the 1067?

    Thanks,

    Manny
     
  11. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    This is the only shot I have of her and am lucky to have it. In fact, it's the only one I've ever seen of her.
    They all got Coffin FWH when rebuilt into 4-6-4s.
     
  12. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Thank you for posting the one you have. It will definitely help out.
     
  13. frisco1522

    frisco1522 Staff Member Staff Member

    As if your prayers have been answered, Mike Lutzenberger came up with a right side view from the same day.
    He also sent another left side view from Springfield fresh from the shop.
     

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  14. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Looks like they changed out the rear tender truck in the "fresh-from-shop" pic. Was that very common?

    Ken
     
  15. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The image taken at the West Shops also shows the locomotive with a rectangular number plate and a Sunbeam headlamp
     
  16. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Thank you, thank you Frisco1522! I really do appreciate it. Yes, God answers my prayers and sends kind folks to help me out. Thank you all!

    EDIT: I was so excited about the new pics, I read too fast. I'm grateful for everyone here. I didn't mean to slight anyone, so please forgive my error.
     
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  17. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Manny...your accolades belong to Don and Mike L.; not I
     
  18. SAFN SAAP

    SAFN SAAP Member

    Thank you Karl for bringing that to my attention. I edited my post, but you contribute so much as well, so thanks to you as well!
     
  19. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Some great photos - thank you Don and Mike!

    One question: the initial photo shows what appears to be a "flat" side of the feedwater heater on the fireman's side.

    The subsequent pictures show bulbous ends, for lack of a better way to describe them.

    Any insight on why there would be a difference? I'd tend to assume that the guts of the appliance were generally the same?

    Thanks, in advance,
     
  20. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    The feedwater heater is just a shell and tube heat exchanger, a common industry heat transfer device. The end caps on each end of the internal tubesheet housing could either be round domes, or round cylindrical shapes. It looks like the Frisco shops swapped them around during shoppings. Internally, the feedwater heater did not change.

    Ken
     

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