System Road Switching Jobs Working As Extras - May 1, 1977

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  1. mike

    mike Guest

    Extras May 1, 1977.

    PDF file attached below.

    Source - Frisco Data Sheets

    Mike Lutzenberger
    8/22/2001
     

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  2. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I distilled the raw data that Mike had posted and created a table using Excel.

    The pdf is the result.

    I could not discern stations VP and VF from all the timetables I went through.
     
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  3. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The TPR book notes that VP is Valley Park MP 17.9.

    Might VF be a typo?
     
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  4. qaprr

    qaprr Member Frisco.org Supporter

    VFVP-4 is a typo.

    Should be VPVP-4. A turn to Valley Park.

    Sorry!

    Mike L
     
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  5. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    What was the task for VPVP-4?

    Did it work industries in Valley Park?

    Did it go across the Meramec to the Fenton Chrysler Plant?

    There were, of course, locals that ran between Lindenwood and Chrysler in Fenton with parts and finished vehicles, but these were regularly scheduled trains, not extras.

    These locals certainly did switching at the Chrysler plant.
     
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  6. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks guys for catching that typo.

    It was a direct copy from the raw text that was originally on the post.

    The file has been corrected.

    The VP-VP-4 did indeed cross the Meramec to serve the Chrysler Plant.
     
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  7. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    One station that I don't see listed is Enid.

    I've seen pictures of extra trains operating on the Perry Subdivision, so I'm surprised Enid didn't make the list.

    Would it be reasonable to assume that Enid would be listed as listed as EY?
     
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  8. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    No.

    Enid's symbol was EN.
     
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  9. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    Thanks Keith
     
  10. geep07

    geep07 Member

    Let's make some common sense to this.

    In my honest opinion (IMHO), about the VPVP-4 issue. VP (Valley Park) was the reporting station in Valley Park. Train #4 was the assigned train number to serve the Chrysler Plant located in Fenton, MO.

    There is an industrial park called Tree Court Industrial Park that Frisco served the industries located within. Tree Court Industrial Park is located within the Unincorporated St. Louis County boundary limits, not Kirkwood.

    I guess some people think that Fenton, Valley Park, Kirkwood as a general area and hard to discern where everything is officially located.

    Hope this makes any sense! o_O
     
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  11. WindsorSpring

    WindsorSpring Member

    geep07 is correct.

    There were three jurisdictions with industries that the railroad could serve at the foot of the grade down from Kirkwood.

    Valley Park itself, unincorporated St. Louis County including Tree Court Industrial Park and Fenton including the Chrysler Plant. I had forgotten about Tree Court because activity there has diminished over the years.

    Were there any other industrial customers for the Frisco in Fenton or Peerless Park besides the Chrysler Plant?
     
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  12. geep07

    geep07 Member

    There were other industries served by Frisco in Fenton east of the Chrysler plant. The Chrysler plant area is know as Cassens Industrial Park.

    In Valley Park, there is Reichold Chemicals as of now. Prior, there was a glass processing plant where Reichold is now.

    In Peerless Park, there is a 84 Lumber and a sand dredging company. Prior to these there was nothing that I am aware of.
     
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  13. applegathc

    applegathc Member

    Speaking of Tree Court industries, do any photos of the Frisco servicing that trackage exist by chance?

    I can't find one pixel of that that online.

    Thanks,

    Cameron - Toronto
     
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  14. geep07

    geep07 Member

    According to Google Maps, there is some indication of abandoned track/tracks that served some industry there. This is an area that Frisco served at one time.

    It is out of sight out of mind sort of speak. Difficult to access because you could not see it from a main road. There where 2 access points by vehicle into this complex. One from Big Bend Rd. The other at Marshall Rd.

    The complex is located in the Meramec River valley. To serve this complex the Frisco constructed a long descending grade from the main line along Big Bend Rd. to the complex. The service road from Big Bend Rd. crossed under the descending grade track. The bridge is still there.

    Like you, I have not seen any photos of Frisco action photos serving Tree Court Industrial Park. My contention is maybe they only served it at night?

    I even went to rrpicturearchives.net, there are numerous photos of the Frisco and other fallen flags.
     
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