50' Exterior Braced Auto Boxcar

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  1. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

    While looking through the Freight Car diagram book, I came across the 152626-152899 50' cars:
    50 frisco wood car.jpg
    If I'm reading the diagram correctly, the cars had double side door, and end doors on the "A" end. Both Roundhouse and Walthers have versions of these cars:[​IMG]
    Would this be a reasonable stand in?
     
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  2. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    Looks pretty close to me. At least the diagonal braces are right. The ones for N scale go the wrong way.

    Joe
     
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  3. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

    Looks spot on to me.


     
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  4. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    I was thinking that one door was only a 1/2 width door? Does the drawing seem to indicate that?

    I may be recalling or thinking of a totally different railroad?
     
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  5. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

    That’s what I was wondering, too. I haven’t found a real picture of one of these yet, but I’m easily distracted so that may be why.
     
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  6. gjslsffan

    gjslsffan Staff Member Staff Member

  7. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    That's funny! LMAO
     
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  8. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    The diagram implies two doors with the overall opening 12' 5 3/4" with a clear opening of 12' 1" (the doors would not pull completely clear of the opening). The smaller door is shown as 3' 11 13/16" wide, leaving the larger door to be approximately 8' 5 15/16".
     
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  9. pensive

    pensive Member Frisco.org Supporter

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  10. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I was wondering if the line indicates a half door, or if that line indicates the middle of the car, showing how the opening was off-center?
    Thanks for that--just what I was looking for. I suppose that means I have to find a small Frisco Lines herald...
     
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  11. Joe Lovett

    Joe Lovett Member

    I agree with you. The line is the center of the car and it's door is offset. Also noticed the door itself is not in the drawing, just the opening.

    Joe
     
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  12. magistrate

    magistrate Member

    Now where am I going to find one of these in O scale?

    Robert
     
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  13. geep07

    geep07 Member

    The opening of the automobile boxcar appears to be off center makes sense. You would pull in the first auto on the longest side of the opening then back it in to the shortest side, then the next auto just pulls in to the longest side. This takes less maneuvering. However the Collias photo shows the doors as equal size and appears to be in the middle of the car. Did this car have open end doors?
    I have a model of a Rock Island Automobile dbl. door diagonal braced car and the doors are off set of center and has open end doors.
    The drawing shows it as centered but the dimensions do not indicate that. Sometimes a quick fix is warranted rather than redraw, this is called a Shop Drawing. A detailed drawing of a Shop Drawing are called As-Built Drawings. Each industrial aspect has certain ways of accomplishing task.
     
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  14. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

    These cars had end doors, I believe. I think the doors are off center in the picture if you look at the angled brackets.
     
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  15. geep07

    geep07 Member

    Gary,
    Agreed!
    Also in regards to the Collias photo, the doors are off center by the number of angled brackets.
    Illusion of the angled shot!

    John
     
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  16. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I did some metrics on the photo image. The two doors are approximately one fourth the the total length of the car. On a 50' car, that would be approximately 12' 6". That fits the diagram, so based on the image, there are two equal width doors about 6' wide.


    Updated note: See my post #24 this thread.
     
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  17. pensive

    pensive Member Frisco.org Supporter

    MDC Roundhouse once offered this car in a Frisco paint scheme, but the brown color was significantly lighter than what is depicted in the Collias photo. Also, the dimensions of the end door are shown in the diagram.

    Rich
     
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  18. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Roundhouse made a variety of 50' externally braced cars:
    MDC 50 Exterior door.jpg
    I have 3, in Great Northern and Northern Pacific, that I got from an estate sale. The MDC/Roundhouse model # for Frisco Steel Double door auto end is 2138:
    frisco 50' ext.jpg
    EDIT: I just noticed the car in picture has different numbers on the doors...
     

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  19. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I looked in http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index.php?threads/table-of-freight-equipment-sources.2534/ and didn't see it. I was able to do some detective work after your post and find the number and the picture.
     
  20. pensive

    pensive Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Good sleuthing work, Gary! I have one that I nabbed off of ebay; the model was available for only a short time.

    Rich
     
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