B30-7 SLSF 863-870 - Locomotive Dispositions

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  1. roger

    roger Guest

    B30-7 SLSF 863-870 - Depositions

    B30-7 SLSF 863-870 - Depositions

    #------Built--------Build #---BN #---Re #---------Rep.----Sold-------To------Re #---
    863---12/22/77---41649----5485----1/12/81-----9/81----1/??/97---NRE---5485---??/??/??---LRC---5485---6/27/1999---ARN---1012
    864---12/22/77---41650----5486----12/22/80---9/81----1/??/97---NRE---5486
    865---12/22/77---41651----5487----12/19/80----??/??---1/??/97---NRE---5487
    866---12/22/77---41652----5488----12/12/80---4/81----1/??/97---NRE---5488
    867---12/22/77---41653----5489----12/07/80---6/82----1/??/97---NRE---5489
    868---12/22/77---41654----5490----12/08/80---2/83---4/??/97---LRC---5490---10/??/97---IRN---5490---4/18/98---CPR---5490---06/??/99---ARN 1007
    869---12/22/77---41655----5491----12/05/80---11/81----4/??/97---LRC---5491---10/??/97---IRN---5491---4/??/98---CPR---5491---6/??/99---ARN---1008
    870---12/22/77---41656----5492----12/05/80---11/81----4/??/97---LRC---5492---3/??/01---CMR---2018

    Abbreviations
    ARN - Alberta RailNet RR
    CMR - Central Michigan RY
    CPR - Camas Prairie Railnet
    IRN - Illinois Railnet
    LRC - Livingston Rebuild Center
    NRE - National Rail Equipment

    Notes
    1) SLSF 863 1st B30-7 built.
    2) All units renumbered BN at Springfield, MO.
    3) BN 5489, SLSF 867, retired 8/25/1993 due to major prime mover failure, restored to service mid-1994 with prime mover from wrecked BN 5532.
    4) BN 5492, SLSF 870, repainted in whiteface scheme 6/27/1989.
    5) BN 5492, SLSF 870, assigned as a training locomotive at the Academy of Railroad Sciences, Johnson County Community College (JoCoCoCo), Overland Park, KS before sale to LRC.
     
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  2. RogerRT

    RogerRT Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    SLSF 863-870 B30-7 Depositions
     
  3. RogerRT

    RogerRT Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    B30-7 SLSF 863-870 Dispositions
     

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  4. trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017)

    trainchaser007 (Brandon Adams RIP 9/22/2017) Passed away September 22, 2017

    This proves that I can realistically repaint my HO scale model GE B30-7' in my custom short line railroad paint scheme and model them on a modern short line layout as former SLSF B30-7s.

    I just did some research on former SLSF GE B30-7s. I have been wondering if any are still out there. Thanks to the following web site, I was able to find pictures of all 8 Frisco B30-7s, SLSF 863-870.

    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?mid=47

    According to the website, the latest picture of a former SLSF B30-7 was taken yesterday, 9/3/2011, on a westbound train. That is right, OHCR 3000, former SLSF 863, was still running yesterday in La Fayette, LA. Take a look.

    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2707481.

    Not too shabby for a locomotive that will be 34 years old in December. The next latest photograph is of MNNR 48, former SLSF 864, taken on 4/5/2011 in New Brighton, MN. Take a look at the following. Looks pretty good if you ask me.

    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=64734.

    It is about bedtime now, but with a holiday off tomorrow and all-day rain from tropical depression Lee to keep me inside, I would say by this time tomorrow night, State Line Railroad (STLN) 007, former SLSF 863, will be running the STLN local.

    I will have successfully customized a locomotive for the first time.
     
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  5. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    Brandon:

    This is great stuff!

    The B30-7s and the GP15-1s are my favorite Frisco locomotives.

    Thanks for sharing!
     
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  6. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I sometimes take photos of the Minnesota Commercial (MC) Railroad on my way to and from work. This evening I saw MNNR 88, a B30-7:

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    I went to railpictures.com and was tremendously surprised to see that it is former SLSF 866!

    It turns out they have several former Frisco B30-7s on the roster.
     
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  7. Amazing.

    Nice catch
     
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  8. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    They are still riding on Alco trade in trucks.

    I wonder if they still have the traction motors and generator that went in when they were built?
     
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  9. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Were the AAR B trucks trade ins?

    I did not know that.

    MNNR has several Alcos and GEs on its roster.

    I gather they prefer the traction motors.
     
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  10. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    The B30-7s were probably not on trade in trucks,

    They were likely the AAR Type B trucks they came with.

    It is correctly called an AAR Type B truck, not an Alco truck.

    Alco, as did GE and some others, used a lot of AAR Type B trucks on their locomotives.

    They likely had GE traction motors, at least in the beginning.

    K
     
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  11. Iantha_Branch

    Iantha_Branch Member

    I thought the GE's rode on AAR Type B trucks because they came off Alco trade in units.

    I did not know they still came new with those trucks in that era.
     
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  12. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Maybe, maybe not, but GE might have used as many AAR Type B road unit trucks as did Alco.

    The truck was not an "Alco truck", even though I called it that for years as my Lionel FA-1 A-A locomotive I loved as a kid rode on what I called "Alco trucks". Not so.

    Even though I liked the EMD Blomberg B-B truck a lot, (it was better, I always have preferred the look of the AAR Type B.

    My favorite Frisco GP35s were the several that did indeed run on AAR Type Bs from traded in Alco FA-1 and FA-2s.

    The AAR Type A truck was also by far the truck most used on B-B yard switchers, even by EMD!

    K
     
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  13. I believe in Greg's new book it says the B30-7s or at least some had old FA trade in trucks.

    The book is 10' away and I am too lazy to double check at the moment though. HA
     
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  14. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Yep, Greg does report that in his new book in the B30-7 section.

    I had not heard that. Could very well be true indeed. After all, an AAR Type B is an AAR Type B. Would be interesting to know what traction motors were used in them in the new GEs.

    Same as the old GEs used in the Alco FA-1/FB-1s, or new GEs?

    Also what bearings, as they look different. However, GE U-boats, all models, came with AAR Type B as the standard truck.

    Other truck options existed as well later on.

    K
     
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  15. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I think Ethan is correct.

    I have run into a few places the last few days that refer to them as trade-in trucks from Alcos, such as the Wikipedia B30-7 article, and a short description of the -7 models from Atlas, that mentions that FB-2 trucks were standard but some roads used trade in AAR B or even Blombergs under the locomotive.
     
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  16. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Some Alco's have "ALCO" trucks under them.

    Apparently cast to Alco's specifications, or cast at their own foundry?

    Often were the times I would see the big "ALCO" within a rectangular box that is cast onto the side frame. I would see such when I was down on the ground standing beside one of the trucks, uh, looking at the scenery.

    EDIT: Also, IMHO, reusing trucks is a highly iffy proposition unless the truck has been gone over thoroughly to insure that it is still good and square.

    A truck can be slightly "tweaked" warped, bent, etc. by a significant derail.

    And from that time on, the truck can crab down the tracks, and be even more prone to derailing on account of picking at joints, points, and frogs.

    Andre
     
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  17. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Whatever. I still say the majority of GE UxxB's ran on AAR Type B trucks.

    Yes, a few or some may have been trade-ins from Alco. But that company was out of business by 1969. Further, metal fatigue would be a major concern for another builder or railroad.

    Therefore, it does not seem likely a new locomotive, especially a new model, would be offered by a builder with old "used" trucks.

    Yes there were alternatives like the FB-2 trucks later on. SAL/SCL ran U36Bs on trade in EMD Blomberg trucks.

    And, the AAR Type B, as well as the AAR Type A switcher truck, were AAR designs, not Alco's.

    Alco could certainly have ordered some with their name cast on the side frame.

    I also recall reading that later Alco Century Series B-B units, like the C-430, did run on AAR Type B trucks that had a somewhat longer wheelbase due to more robust traction motors.

    Hard to keep up with all details that went on in railroad history!

    K
     
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  18. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Yes, the U-Boats had AAR Type B trucks.

    I assumed that the B30-7s were the same, so I was surprised to hear they were trade ins. The Minnesota Commercial has a bunch of B23-7s as well as the ex-Frisco B30-7s, and many if not most of them ride on AAR Type B truck.

    Apparently the floating bolster (FB) FB-2 truck was an improvement that came out with the Dash 7 model line.
     
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  19. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    The B30-7 was just an improved U3xB.

    Buy the run of the mill B30-7, and it came on factory new AAR Type B trucks.

    K
     
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  20. gna

    gna Member Frisco.org Supporter

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