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Frisco 42' Fishbelly Flat Car

Discussion in 'Freight Equipment' started by friscomike, Jul 24, 2009.

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What form of a Frisco 42' Flat car would you purchase?

  1. Ready To Run

    11 vote(s)
    23.4%

  2. Unbuilt Kit

    15 vote(s)
    31.9%

  3. Both

    21 vote(s)
    44.7%
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  1. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Mike:

    re ModelMaster Insignia Yellow:

    It's kind of half-way between Floquil Reefer Yellow and Floquil Armour Yellow.

    Not quite as bright as the reefer yellow, not as gray as the armour yellow.

    The only Intermountain color I can do a direct comparison on is the yellow IRC used on their recent ART MP/Wab reefer. The IRC color is a shade brighter than the ModelMaster, but close.

    I have no idea what this means regarding what shade to use on the Frisco 42ft flats! I suspect it does not matter - get one close. These cars got beat up, got filthy and got rusty real fast!

    Ken
     
    meteor910, Jul 25, 2009
    #21
  2. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks Ken, that is very helpful. I thought the ART MP/WAB reefer was closest, too. After the holy war on locomotive yellow tones, I hope to get this one close. Some photos look very bright, some look dull. If we get one in the ballpark, folks can lighten and darken with washes or chalks.

    Best regards,
    mike
     
    friscomike, Jul 26, 2009
    #22
  3. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Re: Frisco 42' Fishbelly Flat Car - Road numbers

    Howdy,

    Today I plan to decide on the road numbers for the new yellow flat car and submit it to Intermountain/Red Caboose. Previously, I had planned for the numbers to be in the 95XXX range. The 100XXX flats were 43' instead of 42' 10" as the model. Two inches isn't much, so I'll check the diagram book for other differences in the two and perhaps make one of the road number choices in the 100XXX if appropriate.

    What numbers DO YOU NOT want to see on this build, i.e., that folks have already on their rosters.

    Best regards,
    mike
     
    friscomike, Jul 28, 2009
    #23
  4. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Mike - Obviously, IRC should avoid repeating any of the numbers Red Caboose used for their earlier Frisco red oxide 42ft flat. Hopefully, those numbers are shown on the RC web site, or IRC will have access to them from RC

    Ken

    ps: I voted for both RTR and kits for the yellow flat. The RC kit went together quickly and was fun to build.
     
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    meteor910, Jul 28, 2009
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  5. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Whether it is currently listed or not, Red Caboose DOES make the 42'6" flatcar in N-scale as well. Many of the old products were removed from the site when Red Caboose and Intermountain announced their partnership.

    I have a whole bunch of the flats I bought undecorated to use for various purposes. I also have a few of the decorated versions for other roads.

    Paul
     
    pbender, Jul 28, 2009
    #25
  6. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    Mike:

    Are these cars going to have real wood decks? Red Caboose made laser cut wood decks to retrofit on these when they offered them as kits. Intermountain is puting wood decks on their flats. Personally I would pay the extra money to get the wood deck.

    Bob Hoover
    FriscoFriend
     
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    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018), Jul 30, 2009
    #26
  7. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    The cars do not come with wooden decks, but we are discussing making them available for purchase with the flats. Stay tuned and thanks for the question.

    Best,
    mike
     
    friscomike, Jul 31, 2009
    #27
  8. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks Mike for the response about the wood decks. Now my question would be since these are RTR cars could the plastic decks be removed easily and replaced with the wooden ones? Maybe someone like Ken Wulfert who I assume has put the red kits together could weigh in here. To me the wood deck makes a tremendous difference in the appearance of the car but I also realize that there may be cost issues to take into consideration.

    Bob Hoover
    FriscoFriend
     
    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018), Jul 31, 2009
    #28
  9. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Howdy,

    The RTR cars will have plastic decks. We will offer laser cut wooden decks made specifically for the 42' flat for sale along with the RTR and kit cars.

    Best regards,
    mike
     
    friscomike, Jul 31, 2009
    #29
  10. friscobob

    friscobob Staff Member Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Sweet! Can't wait to see 'em come out!
     
    friscobob, Aug 2, 2009
    #30
  11. Sirfoldalot

    Sirfoldalot Frisco.org Supporter Frisco.org Supporter

    Guys, I probably talk to much, but, there are many voids in my knowledge bank during the 26 years that I was away from the hobby.

    I have to keep asking these BSDS questions:
    What is the difference between a plastic kit and a resin kit?
    What is the difference between "regular" wood and "laser cut" wood?

    Inquiring minds want to know! :confused:
     
    Sirfoldalot, Aug 2, 2009
    #31
  12. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    A plastic kit is actually a form of styrene which is vacummed injected into a mold and yields very fine detail. A resin kit is just that, resin, and is thicker and usually brittle and somewhat hard to work with. Also the detils are not as fine.

    Regular wood is just that, wood, usually basswood that either comes in strips or sheets. If the sheets have clapboards or scribes they are done by a milling machine. Laser cut wood, as in the flatcar deck. is a thin piece of wood that ALL of the details including scribing, nail holes, cut-outs, etc. are burned into the wood by a computer programmed laser. Sometimes they even come with a peel and stick backing.

    Bob Hoover
    FriscoFriend
     
    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018), Aug 3, 2009
    #32
  13. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    Here's a shot from a 1961 Issue of All Alboard. Before the advent of the specialty coil steel railroad car, the Frisco did it this way.
     

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    Karl, Aug 8, 2009
    #33
  14. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Regarding the wood decks for the Red Caboose Frisco 42ft flat cars:

    I have assembled one of the RC red SLSF flats - have one more red one to go plus one undec, both still in the box. I'll use the undec for a SLSF transfer caboose using Nick Molo's kit.

    The RC 42ft flat car kit goes together very nicely, and makes into a good looking car. I look forward to the yellow cars, be they kits and/or RTR.

    The wood decks are made specifically for this RC flat car by LASERkit, from American Model Builders here in StL. Their kit number is #326. The addition of a real wood deck adds a great deal of realism to the RC car.

    Ken
     
    meteor910, Aug 10, 2009
    #34
  15. friscomike

    friscomike Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Yellow Frisco 42' Fishbelly Flat Car - update

    Howdy,

    I'm waiting for a test shot of lettering from Bill at Red Caboose. It should be here this week.

    We will offer both RTR and kits, although kit numbers will be limited. We'll also offer the wooden decks sold by RC.

    The RTR cars will have road numbers 95523, 95702, 95644, and 100008 and the kits will be lettered, but not numbered.

    Best regards,
    mike
     
    friscomike, Aug 31, 2009
    #35
  16. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Mark, thanks for the detailed information.

    I need to take a look at all the photo links - but any ideas on color pre-1950? I'd guess a standard boxcar red?

    Best Regards,
     
    yardmaster, Sep 7, 2009
    #36
  17. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Just answered my own question. The Sunshine Kit notes indicate that "The SL-SF flatcars were painted the traditional boxcar red with white lettering."

    Several of the RR Picture archive links posted by Mark D. also show 6-digit MoW numbering but in a reddish paint.

    Best Regards,
     
    yardmaster, Sep 7, 2009
    #37
  18. mark

    mark Staff Member Staff Member

    Chris,

    The flat cars were originally delivered in freight car red. Red Caboose released their flats originally in this scheme. Please see the following prototype example.

    http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/flat/slsf95701main.html

    In the 1950's cars started appearing in yellow like the soon to be released cars Mike has worked on for us. Some cars remained in freight car red, but had yellow paint patches, an interesting combination variation.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks!

    Mark
     
    mark, Sep 7, 2009
    #38
  19. meteor910

    meteor910 2009 Engineer of the Year Staff Member Frisco.org Supporter

    Don't get it too brown. The Red Caboose kit is closer to a red oxide than it is to the traditional boxcar red (which is really a light brown). I don't know how accurate the RC car color is to what the SLSF actually used, but it looks right to me.

    Ken

    ps: I just stuck a pic of the existing Red Caboose Frisco 42' flatcar kit in my album to illustrate the color.
     
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    meteor910, Sep 7, 2009
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  20. yardmaster

    yardmaster Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Thanks for the picture, Ken; that helps a lot. Another fine looking model with SL-SF reporting marks!

    Best Regards,
     
    yardmaster, Sep 25, 2009
    #40
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