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douglas
03-05-2002, 08:23 AM
I've started a small e-mail group of modelers interested in the areas between Cuba and Lebanon. If you'd like to be a part, e-mail me at w3ho@aol.com. Doug Hughes in Annapolis

douglas
06-28-2004, 10:27 PM
Sandy & I will probably be moving to SE Michigan after we retire in 2005. I'll start another layout, but it will be downsized from this DJ&H, which has proven to be too big for one person to build.

However, I've become fascinated with Lebanon's track arrangement and industries. I may just have to have a Lebanon on the new layout too.

I'm not stopping building the present DJ&H. In fact, I glued down most of the roadbed for Lebanon tonight. The trackplan is in the attached, which is better than the plan shown elsewhere here on the web site.

I'll be posting more about Lebanon in weeks to come and as I start putting down ties and rails. I'm using the new CV switch kits, which are beautiful. Doug

douglas
06-28-2004, 10:29 PM
Lebanon's 1980 Track Plan - I'm modeling 1966-68 when there was a bigger yard there.

douglas
06-28-2004, 10:33 PM
Lebanon is in S. Central MO near I-44. Old US 66 ran through it as shown right above the red Section 3 label in the attached Historic 66 map. Doug

douglas
06-28-2004, 10:36 PM
There was (stil is?) an H. D. Lee factory next to the main line on the NE side of the tracks. They stone washed jeans there and it was served by a Frisco spur many years ago. This building is a must have, but far too big to model. Doug

douglas
06-28-2004, 10:43 PM
Commercial street is adjacent to the mainline tracks. There are many little stores there. Visable from the layout aisle will be the store backs, not fronts, which are FAR more interesting to model. Here's proof. Doug

douglas
06-28-2004, 10:47 PM
Two impressive buildings on the far side of Commercial will need to be profile buildings. The Knight Building has an art deco look with the rounded corner. The post office building is a natural for styrene and Holgate & Reynolds. Doug

douglas
06-28-2004, 10:49 PM
There are also wonderful industries switched off the wye. Here is the east leg being switched by Charlie Dischinger or one of his colleagues. Doug

douglas
06-28-2004, 10:53 PM
The west leg of the wye. That team track went through a diamond to service the MFA and a lumber yard in years past - and on the DJ&H.

douglas
06-28-2004, 10:56 PM
There was a Phillips 66 oil facility on the west leg of the wye many years ago. A platform is shown here.

douglas
06-28-2004, 11:02 PM
More photos of MFA Feed and Agri outlet off the wye.

douglas
06-28-2004, 11:04 PM
Even the wye's tail has an interesting industry - Lebanon Plant Food.

douglas
06-28-2004, 11:08 PM
Four more industries are located off of two spurs just west of Lebanon. This place was called Kern or Kurn in the steam days. There was also a long stretch of double track through Lebanon-Kurn that I'm modeling. Just west of Kurn on the DJ&H is Eastern Junction going into Springfield & staging. I know, but the basement's only so big.

douglas
06-29-2004, 10:11 PM
Sinclair Oil on west leg of wye.

douglas
06-29-2004, 10:13 PM
Railroad Maintenance Buildings at west wye switch.

douglas
06-29-2004, 10:15 PM
Detroit Tool

douglas
06-29-2004, 10:17 PM
Mid-America Dairy

douglas
06-29-2004, 10:19 PM
More of Mid-America Dairy (BIG building)

douglas
06-29-2004, 10:20 PM
Propane Tank

douglas
06-29-2004, 10:22 PM
MFA Plant Food - side opposite track.

douglas
06-29-2004, 10:25 PM
Modeling Lebanon 3

douglas
06-29-2004, 10:27 PM
Modeling Lebanon 2

douglas
06-29-2004, 10:29 PM
Modeling Lebanon

(unregistered
06-29-2004, 10:36 PM
The NMRA Layout Design Special Interest Group calls them Layout Design Elements (LDEs). My favorite has become Lebanon, MO on the BN, ex SL-SF. These posts describe my design process. I got a lot of help. Sam Shepherd and Travers Stavik of Severna Park, MD; Paul Dolkos and Dr. Doug Gurin of N. VA; Gordon Everett of Rockville, MD; Tony Koester of NJ; Dean Smith of Rolla, MO; Tony Steele of Waterford, NY; Frank Bryan of Washington, MO; Jim Rucker of Houston; Jan Jester (Deceased) of KC, KS; Ed Vondrak of Indianapolis; and especially Michael Newton who helped a LOT with Lebanon. His material and maps follow:

Taken from FMIG LINES 105 Spring 1991

MICHAEL NEWTON, 1352 Points 0 Call Apts, Palatine, IL 60067
Letter of July 31, 1990

I received your brick last week and quickly reviewed it. I had wondered what had happened to you since our phone conversation in 1989.

I will try to help you as much as possible. I would not call myself a Lebanon expert for the late 60’s and early-mid 70’s. I was very young then, but I was quite observant, so I do remember the basic track arrangement. I have a cousin who can help you a great deal concerning Commercial Street. His name is Kirk Pearce, and he is a member of the Laclede County Historical Society. He has a large number of pictures of the downtown Lebanon area.

I will give you the basic track plan arrangement along with building/industry locations and details on the enclosed drawing.

I really don’t know a lot about track planning, but I do like realistic operation of a model railroad. Lebanon is a neat place for local freight operation. I have seen the streets blocked many times during switching operations. I have even seen a SW-1500/GP-7 combination being used during local freight moves at Lebanon.

The track drawing is crude, but the major elements are present. I have tried to maintain the distance scale. All industries still exist except for Adair Concrete.

I hope this helps you out. I would like to become more active in FMIG and would like to have the previous editions of FMIG LINES.

I do have a model railroad, and I would like to share it. It is called the OZARK RAILWAY - SUBSIDIARY SL-SF (51% SL-SF, 49% MoPac). I will share more about it in another letter.

Lebanon Industries

1. MFA PLANT FOOD
Covered hoppers of all varieties with fertilizer.
(Added by Doug) 1A. FERRELLGAS
Liquefied petroleum tank cars
2. MID AMERICA DAIRY
Formerly used coal for boilers. Hoppers.
3. DETROIT TOOL
Light tool manufacturer. I’ve never seen any rolling stock there.
4. PHILLIPS 66
Never have seen any tanks cars there.
5. LIQUID FERTILIZER TANK
Tank cars.
6. NOBLE HUDSON FEED STORE
AT&SF “Ship & Travel” 40’ boxcars. I’ve seen a large number there.
7. NOBLE HUDSON FEED STORE
Covered hoppers with grain and fertilizer.
8. SINCLAIR OIL
Tank cars??
9. DX OIL
Tank cars??
10. LEBANON PLANT FOOD
Covered hoppers with fertilizer.
11. LUMBER STORAGE ON GROUND
Flats, bulkheads, and boxcars.
12. TEAM TRACK
I’ve seen 50 & 60’ boxcars being loaded with aluminum boats. Rest of the time, used for timber unloading.
13. TINDLE MILL
Covered hoppers with grain.
14. MFA BULK FEED
Covered hoppers with grain.
15. AMOCO BULK OIL
60’ tankers. They pulled a hose through the building to the storage tanks in back.
16. MFA FARMERS CO-OP
40 & 50’ single-door boxcars of the SL-SF 22000 series.
17. SL-SF DEPOT
I’ve seen whiskey barrels from the local stave mill being loaded into 40’ boxcars.
18. LEE JEANS
This is where they do their stone washing. I’ve never seen any cars there, only the track going up to it.
19. ADAIR CONCRETE
I don’t remember anything there. The lower end of the track is used as a team track.
20. SP GAS
Liquefied petroleum tank cars.

w3hodoug
12-31-2011, 05:03 PM
Is anyone else interested in modeling this LDE?

w3hodoug
01-02-2012, 10:11 AM
IMHO, the key is to model Lebanon with the view being to the SE. Model railroaders prefer east to the right, west to the left, but Lebanon probably works better the other way so the wye points away from the aisle. I'm now thinking of doing a switching layout just of Lebanon - with maybe some main-line staging thrown in. I'll let Brad Slone do the Ft. Wood Branch.

mark
01-02-2012, 11:28 AM
Doug,

If you will be building an operating railroad I strongly believe the better orientation for Lebanon is looking to the Northeast.

With a northeast orientation the majority of the industries are on the aisle side. This includes those along the wye tracks. The all important wye, with its industries, can extend into the aisle. This is a critical element for an operating railroad so that the operators can reach the equipment to more easily couple and uncouple cars. Even a tight radius wye would extend beyond comfortable reach (24" to 30" max) if orientated the other way.

Since the majority of the rail served industries on on the south side, they would have their fronts toward the aisle, so business signs are more readily visible, easy for operators to identify and aesthetically pleasing. The backs of the downtown businesses on the north side then form a "logical" backdrop of flats or shallow profile buildings against the wall.

For the owner building the railroad with this orientation would be much easier. The orientation places the tracks in easy to reach locations for installation, wiring, maintenance and cleaning. Any derailment could be reached without having to lean over the railroad. If aisle space becomes a concern, the stub end of the wye could be hinged to fold out of the way when not in use.

And better still, this orientation resolves the direction orientation issue. Operators always face north, to the right is east and to the left is west. In the Northern Hemisphere, it keeps the North Star orientation everyone is familiar with on maps. Visiting operators can keep their bearings and understand St. Louis is east of Springfield.

Hope this helps.

Thanks!

Mark

w3hodoug
01-02-2012, 03:29 PM
Thanks Mark, This issue has been a design hang up for about six years. Actually most of the industries, except Lee Jeans and Detroit Tool, are on the south side, so the operators would have to reach over the model structures for uncoupling. It probably doesn't matter much - I don't think my wife wants to stay in this house long enough for me to build another layout.

This string has been dormant for several years - I'm guessing you and I are the only ones interested in Lebanon.

pbender
01-02-2012, 07:11 PM
Doug,

I might eventually have an interest in Lebanon as well.

I have been doodling grand layout plans ( easy to do when you don't have the space for the actual layout). One of these days, I will model at least part of the Springfield terminal and at least one of the lines radiating out from it... In addition to the Ozark branch ( which is a personal favorite).

Current thoughts are to model a few towns on the St Louis main to Newburg and a few towns between Springfield and Thayer with connections between the two on the old east belt and the new east belt, along with a common staging yard representing Tulsa and KC. ( and the staging may be labeled on the plan as North Yard on one end and South yard on the other... But I have not thought that through completely).

If I am doing the Ozark branch, modeling the old east belt and everything east of the there in town would provide enough action for a couple of crews. The mainline run would provide additional interest.

Paul

w3hodoug
01-02-2012, 10:10 PM
Paul, it sounds interesting. Give your operators two or three towns to switch and they'll always show up. Those industry charts posted here a month or so ago are ample ammunition. Lebanon's blew me away with all the local industries that used the team tracks. I knew about the track-side ones. Doug

yardmaster
01-03-2012, 10:27 AM
Doug, I think your detailed notes and photos make it ridiculously easy for anyone who would be interesting in modeling Lebanon. I think Lebanon by itself, with staging at each end - the end-to-end forks, if you will - would provide several operators a LOT of work in one fast-clock trick.

Would the LDE lend itself to portable or even moveable segments that could be moved to another house?

Best Regards,

w3hodoug
01-03-2012, 01:33 PM
Would the LDE lend itself to portable or even moveable segments that could be moved to another house?

Best Regards,

Yes, but my wife is intent on down sizing and my eyesight no longer allows detailed model building.

If I'd known I'd live this long, I would have taken better care of myself.

Thanks Chris, Doug

mike_newton
01-03-2012, 10:19 PM
Just one additional use of the team track near the Lebanon depot. I remember a 50 foot Great Northern (similar to the Kadee model #39817) box car spotted just to the west of the depot, and the Osagian Canoe company was loading canoes into the box car. I have no idea of the destination for the canoes.

Also, the MFA feed mill use to receive a lot of Peavey and ICG covered hoppers. I really liked those cars when I was a kid (oh wait, I am still a kid just with an older body now).

yardmaster
01-04-2012, 09:47 AM
...and my eyesight no longer allows detailed model building.

If I'd known I'd live this long, I would have taken better care of myself.


Well, Frisco Nation is the poorer for it. With my maternal/paternal family's history of eye problems increasing with age, I shall heed your words.

I think this LDE is ripe for the picking for an intrepid prototype modeler. One might turn away from modeling it since it's on the busy Eastern Division main. However, even for someone who doesn't have the wherewithal to model the full range of traffic, I think it's possible to still accurately model Lebanon, operating the layout as a "switching/local" layout, and have any mainline traffic be conceptual in nature.

As someone who finds this type of Frisco archaeology challenging, a big THANK YOU for carefully documenting Lebanon!

Best Regards,