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  • trainchaser007's Avatar
    7 Hours Ago
    Brandon, the highest voltage and current should be of little interest unless you are running rocket sleds. The main concern is the amount of current necessary to move a train at the voltage necessary to make the train run a prototypical speed. I am going to guess that voltage would be about 8 volts. The typical HO loco with can motors will pull about 1/2 amp at full stall.[/QUOTE Keith, I was simply thinking that 6VA x 3 locomotives =...
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    10 Hours Ago
    Brandon, the highest voltage and current should be of little interest unless you are running rocket sleds. The main concern is the amount of current necessary to move a train at the voltage necessary to make the train run a prototypical speed. I am going to guess that voltage would be about 8 volts. The typical HO loco with can motors will pull about 1/2 amp at full stall.
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  • trainchaser007's Avatar
    20 Hours Ago
    OK, so I guess I want the highest voltage output possible and the highest amp output possible for that voltage. So... 1. What is the highest voltage that typical (1990-present) DC locomotives can handle safely? 14v? 16v? 18v? (Seems like someone told me 18v???) 2. On average, how many VA does a single, typical (1990 - present) DC locomotive draw at full throttle? -Brandon
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    That will be a great project. It would be cool to add some O scale details to further the scale illusion. What job will this little critter be doing? You gotta add a sound decoder to this. Sometimes I fire up my HH900 just to hear that old diesel go through it's start up sequence and so forth. Maybe I'm just weird like that. Can't help you on you're questions but I want to wish you good luck and post pics of the progress.
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  • murphy millican's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    The Frisco & Cherokee just added a Plymouth Switcher to its roster. The locomotive was advertised as an "HO" scale Model Power DDT Plymouth, however the locomotive actually scales out to almost O scale, so it is just perfect for On30. Originally the engine was painted in an Amtrak paint scheme. I plan to paint it in Frisco black and yellow. I have already sprayed the shell black. I was wondering where I should go to get Frisco B&Y diesel...
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Yes, about 2.5 times as much current.
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    The automobile is also nifty. These old photos are a wealth of info for modelers. Thanks, Keith.
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Neat photo, I will enjoy this thread, help us, whoever can, I was wondering the type cars on this train.
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  • trainchaser007's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Thanks for the explanation on the Lifelike power packs, Keith. That was my guess (overheating protection) but I wasn't sure. I get that V x A = VA = watts or that VA/V = A and that 18 VA = 2.57 x 7 VA. Wouldn't an 18VA power pack with an output of 12V and 1.5A provide 2.57 times as much locomotive performance as a 7VA power pack with an output of 12V and 0.583A? -Brandon
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Attached is a capture from America Fact or Fiction. The topic was US Route 66 and this was captured from about 5 seconds of video. I believe this was taken along Route 66 in central Missouri. You passenger train buffs can probably name that train. I could not see the locomotive number. Right click on the thumbnail and select open in new window or open in new tab to see the picture as large as possible.
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    First, the Lifelike power packs are overloaded. What you are hearing is a circuit breaker that consists of a bi-metal strip that the output current travels through to a switch contact. When too much current passes through the strip, it heats up, bends and opens the circuit. When the strip cools it bends back in the other direction and closes the circuit. Regarding the VA ratings, refer back to my post #3 in this thread. Look at the...
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  • yardmaster's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Thanks very much, Karl. Now I have to figure out if I want to put the coal dealer where I'd planned on putting the bulk oil terminal, or go with the original plan. There's never a dull moment with prototype modeling: just when I think I have my industries figured out... Best Regards,
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  • Karl's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    J. H. Cosgrove & Son sold coal.
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  • trainchaser007's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    I have a MRC Railpower 1300 power pack with an output of 7VA. How much more power would a MRC Railpower 1370 power pack with an output of 18VA produce? What I really want to know is, would I notice a considerable difference in power output? If so, about how much? Another question about power packs... I have 2 life-like power packs (they're blue). They are about 24 years old. Once in a while, I'll here a "click" or a "boing" (like a...
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  • yardmaster's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Folks- Looking at the old Joint Trackage Rights/Interchange schematics that Keith posted, courtesy of Richard Napper's Collection: http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?7222-Frisco-Joint-Trackage-Rights-Interchange-Kansas-City&p=56526#post56526 The chart for Olathe shows "J.H. Cosgrove & Co." at "Spot 8." Any thoughts on what type of industry/concern this represented? I'd thought that it might correspond to Champlin Oil as noted...
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  • yardmaster's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Welcome, Joseph. It's nice to see The Peach State represented. There's at least one Frisco modeler here (Ken McElreath) who has modeled the Frisco's Southeastern presence. Feel free to browse as Keith has noted, and feel free to share any details of your layout. It's always swell to see what other modelers are doing. Best Regards,
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Terry, nice job on the events on Safety. The figure that I was told was 300 Million, paid out each year on claims. The economic savings, like you said started this action, the buy in, from the workers was slow, at least 10 to 15 years, some never got it. Glad you said it. Sometimes we need to separate the railroad from the employees. Railroads are all good, as is all aspects of the hobby. Also all railroads, have had, some supervisors and...
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Joseph, by all means Welcome Aboard. The amount of information available on this forum could keep someone interested in the Frisco busy for quite some time. Enjoy!
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  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Thanks, Roger, for the kind words. It took quite a long time to change the culture in Tulsa to convince the employees that the divisional and "most" of the local management was serious about safety. Of course, a lot of the emphasis on safety from the railroad was economically driven from the cost to the railroad from the lost time and settlements that occurred from the injuries. Mike Weismann sp? was the divisional supt. in Tulsa at the...
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  • jmcongemi's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Hello members, I'm Joseph Congemi. I am originally from the St. Louis, MO area but presently live in the Atlanta, Georgia area. It is a pleasure to join your forum. I loved trains since I could walk, particularly the Frisco. I model in O scale and have a medium sized layout. My main railroading interests are located in the Southeast and the Midwest between 1941 and 1960. Very Respectfully, Joseph Congemi
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  • RogerRT's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Terry, you Safety guys get a big thumbs up from me. When I started in June 89 there were guys getting hurt & killed all the time, it was just part of the job. When General Jack came in 92 things started to change, some things took a lot getting used to like getting on/off moving equipment & safety glasses but we also started getting a stipend for boots & free gloves. Yes it is still a dangerous place to work but not like it used to be. Thanks...
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  • Frisco152251's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Yes, Dan. Thank you Don for giving us these memories of such a wonderful locomotive. Frisco1522
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  • DanHyde's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    And thank you, Don, for a great ride !!
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    klrwhizkid replied to a thread Athearn in Diesel Locomotives
    Loksound has a sound file with the Caterpillar V8 for the GE 44 Ton Switcher.
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  • frisco1522's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Thanks for sharing this. Brings back memories, both good and sad.
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  • yardmaster's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Sometimes it takes a while for inspiration for me to sink in. I'm glad that I took another look at these, especially "Zone 2." Between these charts and some photos I've seen, I think I've settled on my next "north of Olathe" Layout Design Element. Page 22 of 24 includes some modelable industries (R.L. Faubion and Rodney Milling) plus interchange opportunities with both AT&SF and MKT, plus the Fairgrounds Branch. The track arrangements -...
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Jim James replied to a thread Meteor plaque in Memorabilia
    Thanks, Keith! I'll check that out. I thought maybe he had a rare find. I like it.
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    klrwhizkid replied to a thread Meteor plaque in Memorabilia
    Jim, it is made with 1/4" thick MDF, 10" diameter and available on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Frisco-Railroad-Logo-Wood-Plaque-Sign-/161561665097?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item259dd35e49 for $14.95 plus $12.85 shipping. I bought a couple for gifts.
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  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    I agree with you, William, that working for the BN was not that bad, actually. The leadership in Tulsa at the divisional level emphasized safety and listened to the scheduled employees on safety matters. I was the co-chair of the Tulsa safety committee with Mike Black (asst. supt. of Tulsa terminal) and was given a lot of leeway in how we worked and the projects we under took in Tulsa. We accomplished some amazing safety projects because of...
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Jim James replied to a thread Meteor plaque in Memorabilia
    That's so cool! How big is it and how old is it?
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  • DanHyde's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    My wife and I, along with #1 grandson, were on it that weekend. I'll never forget it!
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  • DanHyde's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    DanHyde started a thread Meteor plaque in Memorabilia
    Saw it, had to have it! Going in the back shop !
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    William Jackson replied to a thread Athearn in Diesel Locomotives
    Well I pre ordered te SD-45's and one of the Sperry Cars from Spring Creek. I suppose Locsound makes the caterpillar decoder. Keith any suggestions on that thought?
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    You can say that again, the Frisco managers, went into the top positions for a good time period. Some were fairly rough, compared to the BN style management. The Q managers were a little on the rough side, but it worked out. BN was a far better railroad, than they get credit for, that was a innovative time period, all through the 80's That all changed when the top guys came in from Santa Fe, for the most part small rail lines had to tug, a lot...
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  • w3hodoug's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Excellent share. Thanks. Doug
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  • RogerRT's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Well, there are things I don't care for either but I understand different strokes for different folks so I don't b&tch about it. BTW the feeling was mutual, BN folks didn't (& still don't) care much for Frisco, that was the reason for the scorched earth policy after the merger. We were very lucky to see any Frisco stuff past '83 so enjoy what we got. Roger
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  • Frisco152251's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Finally got around to uploading some home video my dad took of 1522 during one of it's last trips when it came through St. Louis. About an hour long. Hope you guys like it. Frisco1522
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Thanks Karl for the date on the Lead Line, as I said, I didn't pay too much attention to history back then. Several guys talked about the lead line, 67 thats not nearly as old a line as I had thought. Thanks
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  • Karl's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    It was built during 1967. Some of the rail came from the KC Sub East Main when it was retired.
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    I am quite sure this has been covered, but what railroad guy's refer to as the Lead Line (lead Jct to Viburnum) must have been built sometime in the 50's. I have worked on it several times, but really didn't pay too much attention to the history. I am liking to read these posts, and recall some of the old heads talking about the construction. I picked up scrap on the line with a American Crane, carried out some of the cystral rock, which used...
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Actually, I agree, I like the archive, but see no reason to use another password and have the same trouble it kinda stumps my ipad and forbid I touch the photo. I generally need to shut mine off for a while.
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  • Sirfoldalot's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    RANT! i personally do not like the archive ( maybe it's my lack of knowledge about it ) for the fact that I mostly use my iPad to view with. God forgive if I accidently touch a photo while viewing .. It starts trying to download the photo at a snails pace, gets about half done, then locks up, and I have to reboot to do anything. i really wish that the archive had just been made a chapter of the regular forum with sub chapters such as the...
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  • wpmoreland719's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Thanks for posting this, Karl. Very interesting to see the Sligo and DeCamp branches still on the timetable in 1933. I thought both had been abandoned around 1929 or 1930. My grandfather was part of the crew that took up both branches. On the DeCamp branch, he talked of riding in a gondola as the engineer tried to work the train up a grade. He couldn't quite make the hill, so he would back the train down to the bottom, then get another run...
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  • Charlie Dix's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    I can (kind of) explain that but the answer may not make complete sense. The software that drives the Frisco Archive (Wordpress) is a great piece of software but it does a couple of things that are weird. The posts to the site are scheduled. I have to spend a lot of time to set them up and they are scheduled at the same times. For example, the "SLIDES" category posts at midnight Eastern time (sometimes I substitute an advertisement or other...
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  • Karl's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    http://www.frisco.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3528&d=1148141954
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    BTW - do you have any of the KCT operating rule books? Granted most info is safety related, but they also have track plans. Such as they are. The '53 edition also lists the designation and location of main tracks and speed limits while the '71 edition does not. If needed I could scan the information.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Hmm. Guess I was misunderstanding the 1873 build date for Lead Jct. in the above station list.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    I've noticed that sometimes the updates don't show on the desktop as quickly as the I-phone. Weird.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Thanks for posting your pics! Like I said, gotta' feeling that the cupcake-type transfer caboose was in use during the very early 60s. I sure would like to find out when the boxy 500 was last used. Almost looks like it uses a tender frame for its frame.
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    The kits, I'll have to dig out of the storage box. Photos that I have:
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Good idea. Factory installed DCC and sound is the way to go. installing decoders can be challenging to say the least.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Looks great, Jim! I will probably pre-order mine as soon as I see how prompt the dealer is with an outstanding refund on a broken item I received yesterday once I return it.
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    I finally got all the electronics safely tucked inside this tiny Alco. It's tight but the smooth operation and sound quality made it all worthwhile. Now I will add the truck chains (very cool visual feature in my opinion), lettering and weathering. Here she is shuffling about some passenger cars.
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  • TAG1014's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    I sometimes visit Frisco-Dot-Org and the Frisco Archive on my tablet instead of my desktop PC. For some reason more photos are viewable on the tablet than the desktop?? Anybody know why? Reason I ask, I sometimes save Archive photos to the desktop, but one photo that appeared on the tablet never arrived at the desktop??? Same thing happened today with the little steam yard engine (#736) Viewable on my tablet, but not on the desktop (Where...
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  • Karl's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Lead Junction didn't enter the Frisco lexicon until the Lead Line was built.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Do you have pics of the models and prototype that you can share? Below are the KCT cabeese pics I've unearthed. I haven't a clue what type was used when.
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    I have 2 of the Liberty Models x-fer caboose kits and took photos of one sitting on a flatbed trailer in SE Kansas.
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    William Jackson replied to a thread Athearn in Diesel Locomotives
    Thanks, I thought their had to be a good reason, they must have a better market for the RTR on some models. Too bad, I like the detail. I have the 40's ordered, I will think about the 45's. I have placed one order with Spring Creek, they seem to be real nice.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Thanks for the map! Question: What lines radiated out of Lead Jct.? (To what towns?) The map doesn't show Lead Jct.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    You just HAD to mention cabeeses... didn't you?? :D I know I'll have to add a period (a caboose) to the end of the sentence (the train) EVENTUALLY... but not right now. I'm still trying to understand what types of cabeese would be "appropriate" on the KCT in the very early 60s. I don't think the ex-ATSF caboose w/squished cupola was in service way back then (thankfully)... but I don't know if the box on wheels was still in service...
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    klrwhizkid replied to a thread Athearn in Diesel Locomotives
    Bill, the GP40-2 models are Genesis models with details that are supposed to be correct down to the specific locomotive number. The SD45s are part of the Athearn RTR line with less attention to detail. Both of the prices that you state should be with Tsunami sound. I got very good price quotes from the Zuckers at Spring Creek Model Trains.
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  • pensive's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Attached is a map of the area discussed in this thread. It is part of a map of Missouri published in 1905. Many of the towns listed have disappeared. Rich
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  • paul slavens's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    paul slavens replied to a thread Lionel in Lionel
    Sounds cool, and the limited production will certainly make it scarce to get in the future, I have the old Mikado from 15 years ago and like you I paid about 1/3rd of the retail from back then, they seem to be readily available for sale so they must have made quite a few. Just bought it 2 or 3 years ago. My kids love running it but they don't care for the primitive sound system in it ! LOL I like the Lionel trains, they may not be...
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Question - are you planning on getting/building a KCT caboose?
    45 replies | 1864 view(s)
  • palallin's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    palallin replied to a thread Lionel in Lionel
    This year, Lionel has come out with a high-end Frisco engine, a new 4100-class Mike (4126, Stock # 6-181186). It is part of their USRA Heavy Mikado series. It SORTA-KINDA more closely reflects the prototype than their earlier 4100-class offering 15 years ago (which was a Southern Mike repaint), but neither one really reflects the fact that they were close cousins of the 1500s. They are offering it in the "Build-to-Order" category, which means...
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Looking good. I ran into a stumbling block in that daddy's railroad room is still being used for storage, albeit all my stuff now. But holy cow did I collect a bunch of stuff. Interestingly enough, my layout space is also 20x30.
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  • yardmaster's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Keith, I"m a little late on replying to this one, but the layout space is looking good. Makes me wish I'd spent a little more time tidying up my space before excitedly putting up some benchwork. I'll look forward to more as it progresses! Any significant changes to your layout plan from what you'd initially sketched? Best Regards,
    33 replies | 6130 view(s)
  • yardmaster's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    yardmaster started a thread FP7s Sans Boilers? in FP7
    Folks - Does anyone know of - or has anyone seen photographic evidence of - the boilers being removed from any of the FP7s after the demise? Even if they were, my guess is that they would be rather like the boiler equipped GP-7s; that is, the external evidence would still be there, even if the boiler-innards had been removed. In event event, I figured that the time, effort and expense to remove the boilers would not have been worth it. ...
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  • pbender's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Right, it was only first generation power that recieved the spark arrestors, and even on the first generation units, this primarilly applied to EMD powered road units ( F units, E units, GP7Ls, Repowered Alco) For non EMD powered units , the only model I remember seeing with a spark arestor was a VO1000 (226 definitely had them ). Paul
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    They are back up and running.
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Was looking on the Athearn site and was wondering the GP 40 are listed at 269 something and the SD 45 at 180 something. Anybody know why one is a lot less than the other? Am thinking both is DCC and Sound.
    4 replies | 214 view(s)
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