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  • Explorer Chris's Avatar
    2 Hours Ago
    If you guys are serious about a hiking trip I'd love the opportunity to be in on it. I've never explored the branch in person.
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  • DanHyde's Avatar
    2 Hours Ago
    DanHyde replied to a thread Was there a wye here? in Salem Branch
    Not to intrude where I am not real familiar, but wasn't there geared locos used in this area at one time? Something clicked when the steep grade was mentioned. Nothing like a geared steamer for that. Dan
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  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    3 Hours Ago
    That's good to know. These are great people to deal with. Terry
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    3 Hours Ago
    Wouldn't it be great to hike around the area and find some old ties or roadbed ballast etc?
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  • yardmaster's Avatar
    4 Hours Ago
    Well done, Karl - and nothing like doing a little hiking to get some "ground truth." Always something new around these parts- keep us posted... Best Regards,
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    5 Hours Ago
    That's our resident geologist, Karl, at work. Karl, in closer look at the newer topos, there seems to be evidence of roadbed as you illustrate based on the topo lines. I feel a walk in the weeds coming on...
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    5 Hours Ago
    Deb Zucker at Spring Creek Model Trains said that they will sell these for $38.00 without sound. Based on that margin, the ones with sound should be about $65.00, but verify with Deb.
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  • Explorer Chris's Avatar
    9 Hours Ago
    Wow! That would be fun!
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  • Karl's Avatar
    10 Hours Ago
    Karl replied to a thread Was there a wye here? in Salem Branch
    Chris, Don't give up on this...It may just require some older source material. I overlaid the satellite image over the topo image, and I think that something was there. A trip into the weeds may be in order.
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  • Explorer Chris's Avatar
    12 Hours Ago
    Thanks, gentlemen. I'm going to be posting some about the Salem Branch, and the Sligo and Eastern and Cherry Valley Railroads here before long.
    11 replies | 305 view(s)
  • WindsorSpring's Avatar
    14 Hours Ago
    This underscores the fact that nothing is truly free; We owe much to supporters, volunteers and just plain hard-working people that make things like Frisco.org possible. The IC folks apparently have a different view of their stewardship effort. They may also have a sad history that justifies their policy. Practically speaking, I suppose some kind of contact with an obviously sincere mission statement may work. Speaking to Greg directly,...
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  • gstout's Avatar
    23 Hours Ago
    Appears this might be somewhat difficult. See link below. GS http://www.icrrhistorical.org/ichs_archives.html
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  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Yep I hear you Brother, Chickens one day, feathers the the next they told me.
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    7027 Tamper, 7052 Regulator. I will take dibs on a shear and tie crane if you decide on them. The Tamper would have the shadow board, lining and levering lights removed. I used to get to go to the national equipment show. Every 4 years, they had a really big blow out. The venders spared no expense, as this was the best time, to show their equipment off, for big buy's from the rail lines. After we merged with BN, the equipment dollars really...
    30 replies | 1592 view(s)
  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Thanks William your A good man. Think I may be selling some of this MW stuff havent made my mind up yet how much of what though. I have 3 shears 3 cranes and found the third speeder last night. A question for you or anyone that can answer, What kind of Regulator and Tamper did the Frisco use in it later years? Here is a link to Custom Finishing Models site for MW stuff. http://www.customfinishingmodels.com/Maintenance.pdf I might try...
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  • frisco1522's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Why not contact the IC Historical Society. They have an awesome collection of info.
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  • bob_wintle's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Finally got Around to inventory the Locos I have decided to sell. Frisco Atlas Old yellow box GP7 #573 DCC $40 SOLD Atlas master Line GP 38 DCC #638 #633 #646 $75.00 each Atlas Master GP 38 with Soundtraxx #636 or #651 selling one only your choice $120 All locos above gave Working Gyralights and Flashing Strobes except the GP 7.
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  • gstout's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Don't know where else to post this, so I am placing my request here. I have begun work on a book about Illinois Central passenger service and could use a few more photos to round out the coverage. If you have any color slides (can't use prints or B&W negatives) that you would like to see appear in print, and get a free copy of the book in the bargain, please send me a PM so we can discuss. Thanks! Greg Stout
    3 replies | 104 view(s)
  • WindsorSpring's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Nice cab shots, to be sure, but Don may appreciate these a bit more. It is possible to move the levers with the mouse and the gauges indicate. Notice the injector valve is turned on the fireman's side in "Backhead." I could have pulled the throttle back to give it more steam, but wanted to keep the backgrounds where there was some reasonable scenery. That way, there was something to see when we lean out the cab and look. Alas, it is not...
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    The Athearn website identifies it this way: Sound recorded from actual genset Sound randomly cycles on and off Utilizes minimum track power Raise and lower the volume by adjusting the potentiometer Based on that description, they will be like the last Genesis reefer issue; sound of the reefer unit only.
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  • dricketts's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Absolutely. Trainz offers so much more than the old and dated MS program. Really your imagination is the limit with Trainz.
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    I wondered that also, if you could set the wheel sounds, I looked but couldn't tell if this one in these particular cars would work like that. Does anyone know if it will be like a full blown sound car?
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  • frisco1522's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Do these allow in cab operation like the old Train Simulator from Microsoft? Or are they just runby scenes?
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  • HWB's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    I wonder if you could change the sound scheme? To say maybe an SD45 prime mover or even an ACe!
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  • dricketts's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Jim... Please do not under estimate the powers of a goldfish...
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Thats a real nice touch, adding the edges to look like the paint is worn off. Very realistic. All of them are very nice. I'm real glad you do this work and are on the site. Here is a couple of droolers, might think about these half cars.
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  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Well, I been busy on some MofW equipment. I built some of this maybe 20 years ago sold it to a friend, and now it found its way home again. Got some of it in an estate deal, and built another complete set from a kit I got 10 years ago. Wish I could find the other speeder. Now I don't know how many of you have built these kits but if you have you have my respect as well as sympathy. The spike puller were a special challenge for me. Its...
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Tom, the kid next door needs the work, good idea, I could have saved a bundle. I gonna need a couple of these, maybe three, bet they would stretch through a 12 car train or more. It is a good time for modeling.
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  • WindsorSpring's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    K&L seems to know how to make handsome 8-coupled steam and already have the CB&Q O class 4-8-4. Doodlebugs are fine, but maybe their next project should be a 4500?
    8 replies | 222 view(s)
  • Coonskin's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    That truly is THE best V scale video production/presentation I have ever seen. Thanks for sharing it, Derrick!
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  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    That is just waaay coool.
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  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    For that much think I could hire the kid next door to walk beside the car with his i-phone playing the motor sound, and still come out ahead :D:D
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    That V-Scale stuff never ceases to impress me. Thanks for the link. Makes me want to get a home computer and try it. I always say that but never do it but then again I have the attention span of a goldfish sometimes.
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  • dricketts's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Wow! One of the best produced videos I've ever seen for V scale or Trainz. http://youtu.be/iw8yC_MQIyc Check out what they have available here. Very high quality payware at reasonable prices. I'm trying to talk them into making an SLSF doodlebug. http://www.kltrainz.com
    8 replies | 222 view(s)
  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    What? You aren't going to buy the model with sound:confused:? They are only $68 at Toy Train heaven. Non sound are going for only $40. No word, yet, from Whole Sale Trains on what their cost will be. Terry
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  • HWB's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    At $50 a pop it should be no problem to fill a train with these. Maybe I can get one of those trust agreements with a bank that the real deal use to do for freight cars purchases. Sooner Federal still makes loans, right? I am happy they are making them and that they will be available, sarcasm aside...
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  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    This is great news. As I stated above, I did buy one of the previous models (WFEX) to repaint to the Frisco. I haven't done it, yet, but I may still do it. I certainly will buy one of these Frisco models, and it is indeed a great time to be in the hobby. Terry
    12 replies | 4231 view(s)
  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Looking back at Eastern Division Timetables to 1934 and in 1898, there is no record of a wye east of Bangert.
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  • mark's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Great news as Athearn continues to support Frisco modelers. Just announced are Frisco refrigerators! There will be three numbers, 333009, 333027 and 333048. Each number will be produced in a sound and non sound version. Prototype car features include Phase 1 early body, early short exhaust stack with flapper, riveted sides, no door hangers, drop sill and early style rod cut levers. Estimated time of arrival is January 2016. Please see...
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  • yardmaster's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Based on the 1971 employee timetable, there is no wye listed at Bangert, or any other location on the Salem Branch. See http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?1226-Timetable-Number-1-1971&p=8533#post8533 Best Regards,
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    In looking at topo maps of the area, there is no indication of such. The lay of the terrain looks like it could allow a wye to have been in place, although the east leg of the wye would have had about a fifty foot climb up to the north end of the wye, with the west end of the wye nearly level.
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  • Explorer Chris's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    This would've been just north of Bangert. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=bangert+mo&hl=en&ll=37.777686,-91.504344&spn=0.007607,0.016512&sll=37.773598,-91.448436&sspn=0.030428,0.066047&t=h&hnear=Bangert&z=17 I have been reading about and studying the Salem branch and all the spurs and branches that radiated from it and I've become pretty fascinated with it all, including the Cherry Valley and Sligo and Eastern histories. It sure looks...
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Thomas, thanks very much for posting. Super information for anyone interested in Union Station operations.
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  • wpmoreland719's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Excellent information! Thanks for posting. Pat Moreland, Union Mo.
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  • Frisco152251's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    It is a foldout schedule for all trains departing and arriving St. Louis Union Station circa 1929. Dated: "Effective 12:01 A.M. Sunday, Jan. 20, 1929." This is a scanned foldout of a book I got at my library the other day. It was kind of rough in terms of the pages falling out, but still looked good. This book is a great read and tells the story of the station itself, then describes the backgrounds and stories of every railroad that used the...
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  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Thanks, Nick. Maybe I can learn from those diagram sheets. Otherwise, I may just mix it up on the types used--just for variety. Terry
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  • nickmolo's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Terry, It's not so easy to answer. There were almost identical styles to Apex, Knox and Blaw comes to mind. But a lot of factors come into the decision for which type. Car builder's preference or design. Cost or salesperson. I don't know if Frisco had a preference or cared, but it did seem to favour Apex or Apex like platforms for a long time. As you both pointed out it sometimes, ...well most of the time it is hard to tell which were used or...
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    In my early years, I ran equipment for the Frisco, it gave me a chance to get all over the yard. I worked the motor grader many times. I saw them lowering the brake wheels at the east rip. Stopped in many times, they always had the coffee pot on, course I had to have some welding on the grader. Stacks of these treads on hand, when a car went through the rip. I was told several times about the cushion underframes, they would get a foot, if you...
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  • DanHyde's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Maybe available at the November train show? We'll see!!
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  • Karl's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    This is the 4501. The image was taken during her trip to Frisco, TX. The 4501 carries a different livery than her sister.
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  • kevin mclarty's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Here is a picture ( I hope)of the 4500 as delivered. Sorry it is not larger, It shows the under carriage and front pilot black, not blue like it is now painted.
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  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Thanks, Nick. I suspected that cushioning was the reason. I have seen draw bars actually move (readjust) on cushioned cars we had spotted and tied down with the hand brake as we pulled the engine away. That movement could be dangerous to someone standing on or near the draft gear. What threw me a curve was the non-cushioned cars as noted above. Your explanation answers that question I had. As has been noted by Colin and me in earlier...
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  • nickmolo's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Terry, the crossover platforms were only applied to cars with cushioning. Either COCC centre of car cushioning or EOCC end of car cushioning. It had nothing to do with the years built or rebuilt, like your examples. One caveat to this basic theory is later on when brake wheels were lowered a safety requirement also came into affect for newly purchased cars, like the 42000 series ACF built cars and the 13500 and 44000 series PS built cars. In...
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  • WindsorSpring's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    There is a direct link from the Frisco Portal to the Museum website and within that there is a page with contact information. I am sure they will be very cooperative given your connection with Colorado Railroad Museum. If you need a "local" contact to help with your efforts, contact me via PM from this list. George Nelson
    5 replies | 265 view(s)
  • fwober's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    When I worked for the UP in St Louis, in the record center, I had access to a lot of the old records. I was able to write down the receiverships, the railroad name, the equity case number , the date and the Federal Court it was heard in. I used this to go to the National Archives to look through the receiverships and find a lot of information. The Missouri Pacific/St Louis Iron Mountain & Southern receivership of 1915 had an inventory of all...
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  • fwober's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    What was the last StL-SF & Texas Seymour Subdivision Employee timetable number and effective date? Michael Lowe
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  • fwober's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    You will have to search for their mailing address and mail them a letter asking for access to the employee timetables. Michael Lowe
    5 replies | 265 view(s)
  • rich57's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Thanks Michael. Is there someone there to contact. Maybe a website or email?
    5 replies | 265 view(s)
  • Jim James's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Jim James replied to a thread random layout pictures in Freelance
    My hat's off to you! You're a good man. I need to get busy "in the basement".
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  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    gjslsffan replied to a thread random layout pictures in Freelance
    Been away for a while just wanted you folks to see what I had been busy trying to finish for the last few weeks. I will work on some Frisco content here. I wanted to show this as some people on this site can maybe get some ideas from it, improve and maybe use it too. Project, start to finish, including painting the power and rolling stock was about 4 weeks. I see no reason why this could not be used in an apartment or similar tight quarters...
    104 replies | 6903 view(s)
  • RogerRT's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Thanks Pat, let me know what he thinks. Roger
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  • fwober's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    At the National Museum of Transportation at St. Louis, Missouri, they have SLSF Western Division employee timetables starting in 1906 to 1961, a very comphrensive set. Michael Lowe
    5 replies | 265 view(s)
  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    I agree, Colin. I wish we had more views of the platforms, but a shadow can be helpful, especially if the tread pattern is of the Apex style. Terry
    8 replies | 398 view(s)
  • cthart's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    cthart replied to a thread Boxcar crossover platforms in Boxcars
    http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=64924 shows a car with what seems to be an Apex-pattern crossover platform (judging by the shadow).
    8 replies | 398 view(s)
  • tferk's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Here is a scan of a 1975 version. Ted Ferkenhoff Flagstaff, AZ
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    Railway Prototype Cyclopedia No 16 has some nice articles about types of running boards and brake steps. Seems I remember big stock piles of the crossover treads in the mid 70's, could be for the cars built at the car shops but, most likely the FRA, required them at some point. They normally adopted standards from the railroad and then made them manditory. As with most all the safety appliances, required.
    8 replies | 398 view(s)
  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    1 Week Ago
    About a week ago Chris made a request to start a new thread on this topic during a discussion of the boxcar thread: Frisco boxcars 7050-7099. I made a reference to applying crossover platforms to the Frisco box cars I am working on, and he asked if I would discuss what I knew. Disclaimer: I only know a very limited amount on this subject, and I am hoping others will join in and give us more information to make the thread helpful from both the...
    8 replies | 398 view(s)
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