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  • Karl's Avatar
    3 Hours Ago
    J. H. Cosgrove & Son sold coal.
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  • trainchaser007's Avatar
    19 Hours Ago
    I have a MRC Railpower 1300 power pack with an output of 7VA. How much more power would a MRC Railpower 1370 power pack with an output of 18VA produce? What I really want to know is, would I notice a considerable difference in power output? If so, about how much? Another question about power packs... I have 2 life-like power packs (they're blue). They are about 24 years old. Once in a while, I'll here a "click" or a "boing" (like a...
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  • yardmaster's Avatar
    21 Hours Ago
    Folks- Looking at the old Joint Trackage Rights/Interchange schematics that Keith posted, courtesy of Richard Napper's Collection: http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?7222-Frisco-Joint-Trackage-Rights-Interchange-Kansas-City&p=56526#post56526 The chart for Olathe shows "J.H. Cosgrove & Co." at "Spot 8." Any thoughts on what type of industry/concern this represented? I'd thought that it might correspond to Champlin Oil as noted...
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  • yardmaster's Avatar
    22 Hours Ago
    Welcome, Joseph. It's nice to see The Peach State represented. There's at least one Frisco modeler here (Ken McElreath) who has modeled the Frisco's Southeastern presence. Feel free to browse as Keith has noted, and feel free to share any details of your layout. It's always swell to see what other modelers are doing. Best Regards,
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    22 Hours Ago
    Terry, nice job on the events on Safety. The figure that I was told was 300 Million, paid out each year on claims. The economic savings, like you said started this action, the buy in, from the workers was slow, at least 10 to 15 years, some never got it. Glad you said it. Sometimes we need to separate the railroad from the employees. Railroads are all good, as is all aspects of the hobby. Also all railroads, have had, some supervisors and...
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Joseph, by all means Welcome Aboard. The amount of information available on this forum could keep someone interested in the Frisco busy for quite some time. Enjoy!
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  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Thanks, Roger, for the kind words. It took quite a long time to change the culture in Tulsa to convince the employees that the divisional and "most" of the local management was serious about safety. Of course, a lot of the emphasis on safety from the railroad was economically driven from the cost to the railroad from the lost time and settlements that occurred from the injuries. Mike Weismann sp? was the divisional supt. in Tulsa at the...
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  • jmcongemi's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Hello members, I'm Joseph Congemi. I am originally from the St. Louis, MO area but presently live in the Atlanta, Georgia area. It is a pleasure to join your forum. I loved trains since I could walk, particularly the Frisco. I model in O scale and have a medium sized layout. My main railroading interests are located in the Southeast and the Midwest between 1941 and 1960. Very Respectfully, Joseph Congemi
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  • RogerRT's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Terry, you Safety guys get a big thumbs up from me. When I started in June 89 there were guys getting hurt & killed all the time, it was just part of the job. When General Jack came in 92 things started to change, some things took a lot getting used to like getting on/off moving equipment & safety glasses but we also started getting a stipend for boots & free gloves. Yes it is still a dangerous place to work but not like it used to be. Thanks...
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  • Frisco152251's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Yes, Dan. Thank you Don for giving us these memories of such a wonderful locomotive. Frisco1522
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  • DanHyde's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    And thank you, Don, for a great ride !!
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    klrwhizkid replied to a thread Athearn in Diesel Locomotives
    Loksound has a sound file with the Caterpillar V8 for the GE 44 Ton Switcher.
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  • frisco1522's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Thanks for sharing this. Brings back memories, both good and sad.
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  • yardmaster's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Sometimes it takes a while for inspiration for me to sink in. I'm glad that I took another look at these, especially "Zone 2." Between these charts and some photos I've seen, I think I've settled on my next "north of Olathe" Layout Design Element. Page 22 of 24 includes some modelable industries (R.L. Faubion and Rodney Milling) plus interchange opportunities with both AT&SF and MKT, plus the Fairgrounds Branch. The track arrangements -...
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Jim James replied to a thread Meteor plaque in Memorabilia
    Thanks, Keith! I'll check that out. I thought maybe he had a rare find. I like it.
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    klrwhizkid replied to a thread Meteor plaque in Memorabilia
    Jim, it is made with 1/4" thick MDF, 10" diameter and available on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Frisco-Railroad-Logo-Wood-Plaque-Sign-/161561665097?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item259dd35e49 for $14.95 plus $12.85 shipping. I bought a couple for gifts.
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  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    I agree with you, William, that working for the BN was not that bad, actually. The leadership in Tulsa at the divisional level emphasized safety and listened to the scheduled employees on safety matters. I was the co-chair of the Tulsa safety committee with Mike Black (asst. supt. of Tulsa terminal) and was given a lot of leeway in how we worked and the projects we under took in Tulsa. We accomplished some amazing safety projects because of...
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Jim James replied to a thread Meteor plaque in Memorabilia
    That's so cool! How big is it and how old is it?
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  • DanHyde's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    My wife and I, along with #1 grandson, were on it that weekend. I'll never forget it!
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  • DanHyde's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    DanHyde started a thread Meteor plaque in Memorabilia
    Saw it, had to have it! Going in the back shop !
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    William Jackson replied to a thread Athearn in Diesel Locomotives
    Well I pre ordered te SD-45's and one of the Sperry Cars from Spring Creek. I suppose Locsound makes the caterpillar decoder. Keith any suggestions on that thought?
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    You can say that again, the Frisco managers, went into the top positions for a good time period. Some were fairly rough, compared to the BN style management. The Q managers were a little on the rough side, but it worked out. BN was a far better railroad, than they get credit for, that was a innovative time period, all through the 80's That all changed when the top guys came in from Santa Fe, for the most part small rail lines had to tug, a lot...
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  • w3hodoug's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Excellent share. Thanks. Doug
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  • RogerRT's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Well, there are things I don't care for either but I understand different strokes for different folks so I don't b&tch about it. BTW the feeling was mutual, BN folks didn't (& still don't) care much for Frisco, that was the reason for the scorched earth policy after the merger. We were very lucky to see any Frisco stuff past '83 so enjoy what we got. Roger
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  • Frisco152251's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Finally got around to uploading some home video my dad took of 1522 during one of it's last trips when it came through St. Louis. About an hour long. Hope you guys like it. Frisco1522
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Thanks Karl for the date on the Lead Line, as I said, I didn't pay too much attention to history back then. Several guys talked about the lead line, 67 thats not nearly as old a line as I had thought. Thanks
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  • Karl's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    It was built during 1967. Some of the rail came from the KC Sub East Main when it was retired.
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    I am quite sure this has been covered, but what railroad guy's refer to as the Lead Line (lead Jct to Viburnum) must have been built sometime in the 50's. I have worked on it several times, but really didn't pay too much attention to the history. I am liking to read these posts, and recall some of the old heads talking about the construction. I picked up scrap on the line with a American Crane, carried out some of the cystral rock, which used...
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Actually, I agree, I like the archive, but see no reason to use another password and have the same trouble it kinda stumps my ipad and forbid I touch the photo. I generally need to shut mine off for a while.
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  • Sirfoldalot's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    RANT! i personally do not like the archive ( maybe it's my lack of knowledge about it ) for the fact that I mostly use my iPad to view with. God forgive if I accidently touch a photo while viewing .. It starts trying to download the photo at a snails pace, gets about half done, then locks up, and I have to reboot to do anything. i really wish that the archive had just been made a chapter of the regular forum with sub chapters such as the...
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  • wpmoreland719's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Thanks for posting this, Karl. Very interesting to see the Sligo and DeCamp branches still on the timetable in 1933. I thought both had been abandoned around 1929 or 1930. My grandfather was part of the crew that took up both branches. On the DeCamp branch, he talked of riding in a gondola as the engineer tried to work the train up a grade. He couldn't quite make the hill, so he would back the train down to the bottom, then get another run...
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  • Charlie Dix's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    I can (kind of) explain that but the answer may not make complete sense. The software that drives the Frisco Archive (Wordpress) is a great piece of software but it does a couple of things that are weird. The posts to the site are scheduled. I have to spend a lot of time to set them up and they are scheduled at the same times. For example, the "SLIDES" category posts at midnight Eastern time (sometimes I substitute an advertisement or other...
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  • Karl's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    http://www.frisco.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3528&d=1148141954
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    BTW - do you have any of the KCT operating rule books? Granted most info is safety related, but they also have track plans. Such as they are. The '53 edition also lists the designation and location of main tracks and speed limits while the '71 edition does not. If needed I could scan the information.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Hmm. Guess I was misunderstanding the 1873 build date for Lead Jct. in the above station list.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    I've noticed that sometimes the updates don't show on the desktop as quickly as the I-phone. Weird.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Thanks for posting your pics! Like I said, gotta' feeling that the cupcake-type transfer caboose was in use during the very early 60s. I sure would like to find out when the boxy 500 was last used. Almost looks like it uses a tender frame for its frame.
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    The kits, I'll have to dig out of the storage box. Photos that I have:
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Good idea. Factory installed DCC and sound is the way to go. installing decoders can be challenging to say the least.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Looks great, Jim! I will probably pre-order mine as soon as I see how prompt the dealer is with an outstanding refund on a broken item I received yesterday once I return it.
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  • Jim James's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    I finally got all the electronics safely tucked inside this tiny Alco. It's tight but the smooth operation and sound quality made it all worthwhile. Now I will add the truck chains (very cool visual feature in my opinion), lettering and weathering. Here she is shuffling about some passenger cars.
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  • TAG1014's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    I sometimes visit Frisco-Dot-Org and the Frisco Archive on my tablet instead of my desktop PC. For some reason more photos are viewable on the tablet than the desktop?? Anybody know why? Reason I ask, I sometimes save Archive photos to the desktop, but one photo that appeared on the tablet never arrived at the desktop??? Same thing happened today with the little steam yard engine (#736) Viewable on my tablet, but not on the desktop (Where...
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  • Karl's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Lead Junction didn't enter the Frisco lexicon until the Lead Line was built.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Do you have pics of the models and prototype that you can share? Below are the KCT cabeese pics I've unearthed. I haven't a clue what type was used when.
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    I have 2 of the Liberty Models x-fer caboose kits and took photos of one sitting on a flatbed trailer in SE Kansas.
    45 replies | 1836 view(s)
  • William Jackson's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    William Jackson replied to a thread Athearn in Diesel Locomotives
    Thanks, I thought their had to be a good reason, they must have a better market for the RTR on some models. Too bad, I like the detail. I have the 40's ordered, I will think about the 45's. I have placed one order with Spring Creek, they seem to be real nice.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Thanks for the map! Question: What lines radiated out of Lead Jct.? (To what towns?) The map doesn't show Lead Jct.
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  • Coonskin's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    You just HAD to mention cabeeses... didn't you?? :D I know I'll have to add a period (a caboose) to the end of the sentence (the train) EVENTUALLY... but not right now. I'm still trying to understand what types of cabeese would be "appropriate" on the KCT in the very early 60s. I don't think the ex-ATSF caboose w/squished cupola was in service way back then (thankfully)... but I don't know if the box on wheels was still in service...
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    klrwhizkid replied to a thread Athearn in Diesel Locomotives
    Bill, the GP40-2 models are Genesis models with details that are supposed to be correct down to the specific locomotive number. The SD45s are part of the Athearn RTR line with less attention to detail. Both of the prices that you state should be with Tsunami sound. I got very good price quotes from the Zuckers at Spring Creek Model Trains.
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  • pensive's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Attached is a map of the area discussed in this thread. It is part of a map of Missouri published in 1905. Many of the towns listed have disappeared. Rich
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  • paul slavens's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    paul slavens replied to a thread Lionel in Lionel
    Sounds cool, and the limited production will certainly make it scarce to get in the future, I have the old Mikado from 15 years ago and like you I paid about 1/3rd of the retail from back then, they seem to be readily available for sale so they must have made quite a few. Just bought it 2 or 3 years ago. My kids love running it but they don't care for the primitive sound system in it ! LOL I like the Lionel trains, they may not be...
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Question - are you planning on getting/building a KCT caboose?
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  • palallin's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    palallin replied to a thread Lionel in Lionel
    This year, Lionel has come out with a high-end Frisco engine, a new 4100-class Mike (4126, Stock # 6-181186). It is part of their USRA Heavy Mikado series. It SORTA-KINDA more closely reflects the prototype than their earlier 4100-class offering 15 years ago (which was a Southern Mike repaint), but neither one really reflects the fact that they were close cousins of the 1500s. They are offering it in the "Build-to-Order" category, which means...
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Looking good. I ran into a stumbling block in that daddy's railroad room is still being used for storage, albeit all my stuff now. But holy cow did I collect a bunch of stuff. Interestingly enough, my layout space is also 20x30.
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  • yardmaster's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Keith, I"m a little late on replying to this one, but the layout space is looking good. Makes me wish I'd spent a little more time tidying up my space before excitedly putting up some benchwork. I'll look forward to more as it progresses! Any significant changes to your layout plan from what you'd initially sketched? Best Regards,
    33 replies | 6100 view(s)
  • yardmaster's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    yardmaster started a thread FP7s Sans Boilers? in FP7
    Folks - Does anyone know of - or has anyone seen photographic evidence of - the boilers being removed from any of the FP7s after the demise? Even if they were, my guess is that they would be rather like the boiler equipped GP-7s; that is, the external evidence would still be there, even if the boiler-innards had been removed. In event event, I figured that the time, effort and expense to remove the boilers would not have been worth it. ...
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  • pbender's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Right, it was only first generation power that recieved the spark arrestors, and even on the first generation units, this primarilly applied to EMD powered road units ( F units, E units, GP7Ls, Repowered Alco) For non EMD powered units , the only model I remember seeing with a spark arestor was a VO1000 (226 definitely had them ). Paul
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  • Oldguy's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    They are back up and running.
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Was looking on the Athearn site and was wondering the GP 40 are listed at 269 something and the SD 45 at 180 something. Anybody know why one is a lot less than the other? Am thinking both is DCC and Sound.
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Ha, I'm sure you knew Harold Angel and the Beck brothers. They cut fire guard. Jack Williams, Mark Plumb, all those guys were real rail folks. Most all the fire guard was done before I went out in 74 as a SEO, with the exception of Dixon Hill. They still cut the hill up into about the 80's
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  • Peddling Joe's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Can't give you a good answer but in the hot dry summers, fire guards were given a higher priority with wooden bridges/trestles given top priority. My employment by The Frisco ended in 1966 when I was recruited by Tamper Inc (acquired by Harsco Rail in 1992.) I did spend a fair amount of time with the Frisco, ATSF, BN & BNSF prior to retiring in 2002. As I recall, the Frisco had a D7 Cat plowing fire guards between Springfield and ST. Louis...
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  • geep07's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Thanks for the info! I am not on Facebook, and isitdownrightnow.com will be listed in "my favorites" John:)
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  • gbnf's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    They are saying on their public facebook page that they have a server outage. https://www.facebook.com/DallasModelWorks "Is it down right now" reports "The website is currently under maintenance..." www.isitdownrightnow.com/
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  • geep07's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Has anyone done business with this company? I have been trying to log on their website and I keep getting "service unavailable". I was wondering if they are having tech problems or that they may be Out Of Business! I just got a shipment from them 2 days ago. John:(
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  • William Jackson's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    The Spark Arresters may have had something to do with where the railroad planned to run the power. Joe might know, but railroads used to cut fire guard, to protect from claims from right of way fires. The amount paid in claims really got out of control, in the mid 70's and well into the 80's. Claims on fires, at least played some part in the profitability of some branch lines which led to line sales and abandonment.
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  • hightechhillbilly's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Thank you everyone for the replies! I will pursue the info and links and let ya' know what I discover.....
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  • Bradley A. Scott's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Re. the discussion between Karl and Roger about the abandonment of the KCC&S's Pleasant Hill branch: I recently visited the Harrisonville public library and found the attached passage in a local history book. It states that, after a contentious government hearing about poor service on the Pleasant Hill branch in 1901, the last train operated on the branch in 1904, and the tracks remained in place until 1916 when they were removed by a local...
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  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    The GP15 should not be included in this discussion as they did not have the spark arrestors like the GP7s and the F units. Terry
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  • Bradley A. Scott's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    As you wish. Here's KCC&S #208 -- later to be renumbered #86 -- in her youth, accompanied by caboose #8. Photo comes from a local historical society. The lettering on the tender appears to be a clumsy contemporary retouching job. Perhaps the tender wasn't yet painted, or perhaps it had gilt lettering on black paint, which sometimes doesn't photograph well.
    34 replies | 2178 view(s)
  • Coonskin's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    "The GP-7 and GP15 engines were not initially equipped with EMD spark arrestors." I didn't say they were. A quick perusal of builders photos or early in-service photos makes that obvious. The question was asked about "when", I answered as best as my resources/recollections allow. Hopefully it was helpful, if not, oh well... I tried!
    9 replies | 320 view(s)
  • Jim James's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Yep. I left them long just to check that everything worked and thought I could wad them up but now I'll shorten them to proper length. Man, that sugar cube speaker sure sounds great and the sound of that old diesel engine is a joy to listen to.
    30 replies | 689 view(s)
  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Jim, one of the secrets is to cut the wires from the decoder to just the right lengths and solder to the solder pads on that board. Keep everything neat and tight.
    30 replies | 689 view(s)
  • tomd6's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    The GP-7 and GP15 engines were not initially equipped with EMD spark arrestors. The Frisco Head Office in Springfield designed a home-made spark arrestor. It turned out to be a dud as it lacked sufficient volume. This led to overheating of the Roots blowers, an expensive and difficult job. John Furlow, mechanic at the roundhouse recalled that Fort Smith was involved with the removal of some of the Frisco home built spark arrestors.
    9 replies | 320 view(s)
  • Jim James's Avatar
    6 Days Ago
    Stuffing all these electronics into this shell is like putting 5 pounds of dirt into a 4 pound hole! I'm still working on it. I've got a fresh idea on how to arrange things. Stay tuned.
    30 replies | 689 view(s)
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