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  • pbender's Avatar
    31 Minutes Ago
    A correction to that last post, since I can't seem to edit right now. McKeever, another name on some of the MTL Pullman car name sheets, still exists at a museum in Texas. Both McKeever and McCumber were plan 3410 12-1 Pullman cars that went to the Katy. Paul
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  • pbender's Avatar
    51 Minutes Ago
    Joe, Frisco recieved both plan 3585 10-1-2 sleepers and plan 3410 12-1 sleepers from Pullman when Pullman divested itself of its car fleet. I modeled one of the plan 3585 cars and posted how I did it here: http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?4913-Model-of-SLSF1809&highlight=1809
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  • Joe Lovett's Avatar
    1 Hour Ago
    I just found the passenger cars that Micro-Trains released over the last year or so and the baggage car released in April. How close are they to Frisco equipment and what decals would be good to use? Joe
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  • Frisco1515's Avatar
    4 Hours Ago
    I remember as a youngster the 3736 and the 3737 were in service at Ft. Scott.
    2 replies | 2006 view(s)
  • William Jackson's Avatar
    6 Hours Ago
    Sorry, I ment the A&M. When I was Roadmaster for KCS, we derailed on the switch going into OK foods. The one going off the A&M main. The curved closure pushed out. We had quite the talk, about who maintained the switch. As I remember it was less than six cars, so just a little one. Trying to think, the GM, was a little on the heated side. They didn't want the blame for anything. Well it was A&M responsibility, my supervisor, though said I...
    16 replies | 1843 view(s)
  • SteveM's Avatar
    7 Hours Ago
    Could we get a clarification that you were riding on the MoPac? Somewhere there's a description of this, with the passenger train then using the Frisco bridge to get back on MP main going west. Thus ran over several miles of track twice.
    38 replies | 13095 view(s)
  • yardmaster's Avatar
    10 Hours Ago
    Note that the photo of 3747 appears to be at the Springfield Depot. Note the "Lipscomb" sign on the elevator in the background. Best Regards,
    2 replies | 2006 view(s)
  • Coonskin's Avatar
    23 Hours Ago
    No, talking about the A&M's former Superintendent.
    16 replies | 1843 view(s)
  • William Jackson's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    We had that issue in Gurnsey, Wy, they stripe align the coal hoppers their. Sometimes "Bo's" climb down to some type cars and can't get out. Makes for a rather bad day, when your headed for the coal flood loaders. You must be talking about the Ft. Smith Ry, yes I know him, he was a snipe for UP
    16 replies | 1843 view(s)
  • Coonskin's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Wow, those Frisco two-bay hoppers were common as dirt around these parts (Ft. Smith and the coal fields south) for several years when I started learning this trade. (1970). So many things are gone. We still have to rattle the ballast cars in some conditions. A few ballast cars can add slack action to the process as well as notching out, pre-loading with the independent, then slamming the throttle shut. Speaking of dumping rock. Our...
    16 replies | 1843 view(s)
  • William Jackson's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Check the photo from oldguy. Frisco turned several cars into ballast cars. Don't know about the particular car you have. I have dumped cars with a center partition though. They was especially hard to get all the rock out. Most of the engineers though would help, they would knotch the throttle up and then slam on the independant. We used to call that "shaking the car" course these cars were not laced up and had no train line air. Yard or some...
    16 replies | 1843 view(s)
  • yardmaster's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    I recently pulled out an old Atlas Frisco Hopper #90801 that I'd picked up some 16-plus years ago, when I was - to quote former Coach Frank Layden - I was "ignorant and apathetic" about rolling stock. In other words, "I didn't know and I didn't care." It's a nice model and one that will find its way into 1950s-1960s operations as we move forward with operating, but it does have an unusual "double-gusset" vertical support in the middle of...
    16 replies | 1843 view(s)
  • yardmaster's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Jim, welcome and lurk away. For those of us who grew up with the Frisco visible out our front door, it's always wonderful to see those far from Friscoland take up an interest in the railroad. And, you are not alone in the ranks of model railroaders who do their modeling at a very slow pace! Best Regards,
    4 replies | 140 view(s)
  • pensive's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Hi Jim, You might find Mike Condren's website interesting; It has a wealth of information on Memphis as well as the Frisco: http://condrenrails.com/frisco.html Rich
    4 replies | 140 view(s)
  • friscomike's Avatar
    1 Day Ago
    Bump! ~mike
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  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Jim, Welcome Aboard. Good to hear from another modeler in the UK. We have had a number of our British brothers interested in the Frisco and several that I can think of that were specifically interested in the part of the Frisco that Jim James and I are modeling; the River Division. In my case, my home town of Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Take some time to poke around here and feel free to ask questions; there are plenty of people here willing...
    4 replies | 140 view(s)
  • Jim James's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    From one Jim to another, welcome aboard. We've got some knowledgable people here and I'm sure you'll enjoy your visits to this forum.
    4 replies | 140 view(s)
  • Jaybird67's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Hi. I don't know how many members here are from England, but it's one more now. I suppose that my main interest is in British railways - I model trains from around Liverpool, where I live, in 2006 (ish) - but I'm generally up for anything that runs on rails. I've always had a soft spot for American passenger trains and that led me to the Memphis Rails website, which in turn led me here when I tried to find out more about the Frisco. I'll...
    4 replies | 140 view(s)
  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Hi Craig, Please post photos of your Walthers frame project as I would like to see what the Walthers frame and trucks look like too.
    8 replies | 415 view(s)
  • John Sanders's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?5204-1890-1930-Paint-colors Take a look at the link to the car diagrams. They reportedly were painted with actual car paint and have a coat of varnish over the painted areas. Passenger car color (pre-WW2) was described by Lee Buffington as being very dark like a ripe olive, or nearly black. Those diagrams appear to confirm that. The passenger roof color (with varnish) looks like Crayola "Brick Red"....
    4 replies | 169 view(s)
  • gstout's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Since this post appears twice, I am not sure which is active, so I have chosen the more recent one. Here is an interchange chart developed by Microscale so you can see what colors still available match the old Floquil shades. As far as the roof goes, I'd use a boxcar red since that would have been in current usage anyway. GS http://www.microscale.com/Floquil%20Color%20Chart.pdf
    4 replies | 169 view(s)
  • Brad Slone's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Brad Slone replied to a thread Frisco 4505 in Swap Meet
    Thanks for the compliments, but I must give credit to Don Wirth for shortening the tender shell itself as I don't think I could muster the nerve to have done it myself. To smooth out the joint I take paint, any color will do but something that will contrast works best and paint it with a brush thick over the jointed area. Then I wet sand it till almost gone, some times I have to do it several times and build it up, but I've found that you can...
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  • DanHyde's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Thanks, Jerry. That would make the roof "Rustoleum Primer" if memory of what Don once said is clear! Pullman green for the balance of car. From the different blogs I've searched, Tamiya Luftwaffe dark green is close to Pullman Green. I'll wait for more comments until I go to the paint shop! Dan
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  • jmlaboda's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    While I am sure that there are more folks more knowledgeable than I who can fill in some of the blanks here I suspect that the "red" spoken of is something akin to either a boxcar red or a mineral red color, which were rather common on early railroad cars. A redder color would have been difficult to maintain, because of the soot from locomotives, making it expensive to maintain.
    4 replies | 169 view(s)
  • tmfrisco's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    tmfrisco replied to a thread Frisco 4505 in Swap Meet
    Brad, I agree with Tom that you did a fantastic job of "smoothing" out the new joints on the tender. I can't tell where you did it, so, congratulations on a job very well done. I have fallen into the trap Tom mentions as I have locomotives and cars from steam through the 1980s merger on the Frisco, plus the BN, and BNSF eras. It started out innocently enough by buying an Atlas MP15 of BN 1003 which was an engine I was running at the time. ...
    9 replies | 332 view(s)
  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    gjslsffan replied to a thread Frisco 4505 in Swap Meet
    Thats a great looking model Brad, the weathering is spot on. That tender wears the triple F well doesn't it. Wish I was first in line for it after seeing it, LOL. But I need to check myself a bit, and not try to model every single era you know.
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  • Brad Slone's Avatar
    2 Days Ago
    Brad Slone replied to a thread Frisco 4505 in Swap Meet
    Robert, I suppose I would so long as there's not a big fee. Shoot me an email at bradslone@yahoo.com, I would be very flexible. Brad
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  • Joe Lovett's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Joe Lovett replied to a thread Nibbler in General
    Thanks Paul. I'll try there and let you know if they still carry them. Joe
    3 replies | 139 view(s)
  • magistrate's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    magistrate replied to a thread Frisco 4505 in Swap Meet
    Hi Brad, Do you take paypal? Thank you,
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  • pbender's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    pbender replied to a thread Nibbler in General
    The one I use for the task ( in n-scale even ) came from radio shack..... But I bought it at least 10 years ago. Paul
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  • frisco1522's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    frisco1522 replied to a thread Nibbler in General
    Look on Micro Mark's web site. I don't know if theirs is small enough.
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  • Brad Slone's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Brad Slone replied to a thread Frisco 4505 in Swap Meet
    Guys, I was able to recover the photo's off the old hard drive take a look and see what you think. She is a very good natured engine and could use a loving home! Brad Slone
    9 replies | 332 view(s)
  • Joe Lovett's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Joe Lovett started a thread Nibbler in General
    Can anyone tell me where to find a nibbler suitable for cutting N scale windows and doors in styrene?
    3 replies | 139 view(s)
  • Joe Lovett's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Thanks Keith for posting your photos. Can anyone direct me to the other threads that have photos of the Ft Smith depot? I need them for the model I am building. Joe
    38 replies | 13095 view(s)
  • William Jackson's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Take a look at (Arizona Rock) and my album to see what it looks like put down. (looks better in person) I dumped enough of it, in the early 70's. Greg pretty well sum's it up. light gray, light yellow, little darker gray (Chat) At least part on the reason for using Chat, was it was easy to tamp under ties. Frisco had only a few sets of tamping equipment and it was reserved for the mainline. Lots of territories had to depend on hand tamping....
    3 replies | 169 view(s)
  • Bradley A. Scott's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Karl, Pretty interesting stuff. I found a few index entries referring to articles about the CH&S in Railway Age between 1887 and 1890, but nothing detailed and readily available. Can you point me toward a good source? BAS
    3 replies | 187 view(s)
  • Karl's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Karl replied to a thread Color and Size of Ballast in General
    Please see.. http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?1749-The-Semple-Pile&highlight=Semple
    3 replies | 169 view(s)
  • DanHyde's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Trying for a pre-1900 look. I know the cars are probably not prototype, but I've never been a rivet counter! If you have seen the Bachman "Big Hauler" passenger cars, then you know the style. Just want to get close. Dan
    2 replies | 138 view(s)
  • gstout's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    gstout replied to a thread Color and Size of Ballast in General
    My recollection of the ballast used by the Frisco was that it was light gray but with a fair amount of quartz mixed in. You might try this link as a place to start looking, GS http://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/page/searchResults?cx=007918959149067016884%3Aqoqceszsb7y&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=Ballast&sa=
    3 replies | 169 view(s)
  • gstout's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    What are you attempting to replicate? GS
    2 replies | 138 view(s)
  • captainjimsmks's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    I am modeling the Eastern Division from Springfield to Newburg in HO scale in the 1960's - 1970's. Does anyone know the size and color of the ballast used? A vendor product reference to the correct size and color would be great. Thanks.
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  • DanHyde's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Hi, guys, (and gals!), I just got a great deal on 5 Bachman g scale passenger kits. ( $55.00 for the bunch!) I was looking at the paint and lettering diagrams at the Missouri University site, and would like some opinions sbout the colors to use. They show a green body and red roof. I'd guess Pullman Green for the body, but the roof? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Dan
    2 replies | 138 view(s)
  • DanHyde's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Hi, guys, (and gala!), I just got a great deal on5 Bachman g scale passenger kits. ( $55.00 for the bunch!) I was looking at the paint and lettering diagrams at the Missouri University site, and would like some opinions sbout the colors to use. They show a green body and red roof. I'd guess Pullman Green for the body, but the roof? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Dan
    4 replies | 169 view(s)
  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Hi Craig, Here is a photo of a GP15 I got from Brad Slone, which was an outstanding model By Brad, notice the door on upper front side of the engine compartment, I didnt put that part on. I need to correct that. Just noticed it LOL. I see something new just about every time I log on.
    8 replies | 415 view(s)
  • Brad Slone's Avatar
    3 Days Ago
    Brad Slone replied to a thread Frisco 4505 in Swap Meet
    Guys, Give me the weekend, I had a bunch of pictures of it, but we recently got a new computer and apparently they did not transfer so I will have to take new ones. Karl, I can't take complete credit for shortening the tenders, as Don Wirth had already shortened the shells which is the hard work, I just had to smooth things out redetail and shorten the frame. I was nervous enough just cutting the frame, I can just imagine how nerve...
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  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    gjslsffan replied to a thread Frisco 4505 in Swap Meet
    Lets see some pictures Brad. I too, would like to see your efforts.
    9 replies | 332 view(s)
  • Karl's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Karl replied to a thread Frisco 4505 in Swap Meet
    I love to see how yours turned-out. Taking a saw to mine was the scariest thing that I had done to date.
    9 replies | 332 view(s)
  • wpmoreland719's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Hi Matt. I'm pretty sure that it terminated in Decamp and never reached St. James, although that may have been the intent at one time. I've read an article or two written about it in the Cuba Free Press by James Ira Breuer, a local historian, who contributed several stories about the railroads in Crawford and Dent counties. He never mentioned anything about it going past Decamp, and no maps that I've seen have indicated that either. Around...
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  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Thanks Craig, Yep, all Smokey Vally stuff there. The splice was made to get the fuel tank where it was supposed to be, and short enough to be right as well as have the right orientation and proper mounting for the motor, as I dont like using tape to mount motors, I want them fixed to the frame, and this gave me all that. That with the fact Athearn didnt have the correct length frame anyway. Remember this was done years before the Genesis model...
    8 replies | 415 view(s)
  • rc2477's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Thanks Tom Wow, your model is amazing, well done! Now that's the smokey valley shell and handrail kits? I just got a Athearn gp15 off ebay for what I hope was a good deal, (130.00), it's DCC but not sound equipped. What I plan to do with the SV shells is try to fit one to my Walthers gp15 frame and mechanism but I want to try your spliced underframe on the second. So is the point of the splice to get the right length to the frame or to get the...
    8 replies | 415 view(s)
  • Karl's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    There was also a proposed, but never built road: http://www.frisco.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=4289&d=1164942152 The Chicago, Hannibal, & Springfield, was surveyed from Chicago to Hannibal, and then Southwest to Springfield. An original projection had the route passing through the towns of Pleasant Hope and Fair Play and then to Springfield. In 1887, the proposed route through these towns was abandoned in favor of one going through...
    3 replies | 187 view(s)
  • John Sanders's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    The MOP tracks extended east of Fremont to serve an oil distributor (not Morris Oil). The tracks extended through the oil company property and disappeared into tall grass just south of the school bus facility on Chestnut Expressway. A friend thought the track might have extended nearly to Glenstone at one time. John Sanders
    3 replies | 187 view(s)
  • Brad Slone's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    John, To my knowledge there has never been a Frisco business car imported in brass, I'm sure if this is incorrect someone will be able to correct me. Seems like I do remember a few years ago Overland proposing a run of BN business cars and one of the potential cars was a former Frisco car, bur I think it was to be in BN colors. But I don't think the project ever got off the ground, it would be nice if they were done one of these days. ...
    1 replies | 166 view(s)
  • Bradley A. Scott's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    While looking up Sanborn maps of Springfield, I noticed that the 1910 Sanborn key map shows St Louis Iron Mountain and Southern (Missouri Pacific) tracks extending northeast from the MP/Frisco crossing at Phelps Ave. to the edge of the map. Detail map #55 shows some industrial switching trackage in this area. The StLIM&S track between Prospect and Rogers is designated "main line": I'm aware that there's been some discussion on this...
    3 replies | 187 view(s)
  • Bradley A. Scott's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Google streetview of the intersection of Fort & College streets indicates that the main brewery building is gone, but there's a building on the northwest corner of the intersection which may be the storage cellar and bottling works shown on the Sanborn map. <https://www.google.com/maps/@37.208526,-93.307839,3a,75y,358.05h,75.73t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s_bDDwu8H1yjVlZk090phzA!2e0> Very few, if any, of the structures shown in the photograph...
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  • Bradley A. Scott's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Here's a 1910 Sanborn Fire Insurance map image of the south yard area, courtesy of the University of Missouri's website. North is to the left, and the inset section at upper right is not in its actual location in relation to the Frisco shops. Several major structures (large machine shop, coaling tower in the background, brick storehouse, a couple of wooden lumber sheds) match up to the photo. The creek is visible at left in the photograph. ...
    5 replies | 202 view(s)
  • Brad Slone's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Brad Slone started a thread Frisco 4505 in Swap Meet
    If anyone is interested I have a Hallmark 4500 I would like to sell. It is decorated for the #4505 and weathered, it has also been upgraded from stock version with crew and coal load. The tender has been shortened to the correct length per Karl's FMIG article from many years back. It it a nice looking engine that is heavily weighted and runs well. I would like to get $600 lout of it and would be willing to accept payments if that would help....
    9 replies | 332 view(s)
  • mkauffman's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    mkauffman replied to a thread Sligo Section Crew in Salem Branch
    Using USGS online historic maps I was able to trace the Cherry Valley, DeCamp and S&E from Goltra east to Dillard with ease. It was the section of S&E from Dillard eastward that is difficult and the only logical solution I see is that 49 uses the old S&E alignment from the top of the hill east of Dillard all the way to East End. Or at least ran immediately parallel to the 49 alignment so the maps don't show the "Old Railroad Grade". I did...
    9 replies | 2274 view(s)
  • friscomike's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Howdy folks, As we begin in earnest to develop the Frisco structures and track on the Texas Western, I discovered that I did not have Sanborn maps (1940-1962) for either the Frisco Freight house area (across from the T&P Freight house) or the 8th Street yard. Does anyone have these Sanborn maps? I am not sure about how to get them from the library. Happy rails, Mike Corley
    2 replies | 1008 view(s)
  • John Sanders's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    The twin chimneys at the extreme left belong to the original Springfield Brewing Company. Just to the right of that is the MOP two-stall wood roundhouse which is made (in HO) by American Model builders. I like the early cast-frame trucks being salvaged in the foreground and what may be "Frisco Refrigerator Line" cars in the distant background. Al Westerfield dated the photo as being shot in 1915, or soon after based on the Rock Island gondola...
    5 replies | 202 view(s)
  • klrwhizkid's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    I believe it is the South Yard, with the left end of the panorama looking west. Near the left edge of the left scan, there is a tall building beyond two smoke stacks and a closer building down lower with two rows of four windows. There is a hill side to the left as well as a creek. If you use Google Earth and place yourself atop the Benton Avenue overpass and look to the west southwest, you can see a tall building with the appropriate top and...
    5 replies | 202 view(s)
  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Man its sure a busy place.
    5 replies | 202 view(s)
  • gjslsffan's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    Here ya go Craig You can see the splice just in front of the motor mount screws in pic 008, I thought I would show the others photos to kinda give you an idea of what I was talking about.
    8 replies | 415 view(s)
  • Oldguy's Avatar
    4 Days Ago
    I just came across a panoramic photo, which I believe maybe the old south yard. As it is over 2 and a half wide, I had to scan it in four sections, left to tight. If anyone can confirm location, please let us know.
    5 replies | 202 view(s)
  • wpmoreland719's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Yes, it does seem to follow much of what is now MO Hwy 49 into Viburnum. If you were to stand on the highway bridge over Huzzah Creek, the railroad passed to the southwest, crossing the creek a short distance upstream. It intersects with Hwy 49 shortly after crossing the creek. Out of the three branches that I've tried to physically locate (the Cherry Valley, Decamp, and S&E), this section in particular has been the most difficult for me. ...
    9 replies | 2274 view(s)
  • geep07's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    Has there ever been an HO scale production of Frisco business cars in brass? Just wondering! John|-|
    1 replies | 166 view(s)
  • Explorer Chris's Avatar
    5 Days Ago
    See above
    9 replies | 2274 view(s)
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