Where was this Frisco Freight Depot?

Discussion in 'General' started by klrwhizkid, Jun 21, 2014.

  1. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    Take a good look, everyone. Where was this freight depot?
     

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  2. nvrr49

    nvrr49 Member

    Joplin? Looks like a building I remember there. Used to be Bolivar Insulation.


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  3. nvrr49

    nvrr49 Member

    Yep, 1601 West 4th street, Joplin.
    Joplin Freight HOuse.jpg

    Kent Hurley
     
  4. nvrr49

    nvrr49 Member

    Obviously not! When I look again!


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  5. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    I thought I might poke this thread to have some more eyes take a look. Please take a look at the picture in post #1. We know this was not in Kansas City, Tulsa, St. Louis, Joplin, or Springfield, and with tracks on both sides, it isn't Wichita, so the question remains. It would obviously be in a larger city and the surrounding flat topography is the only clue with nothing immediately discernible in the background.
     
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  6. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    The doors on the side nearest the photographer open on to pavement and that indicates truck service. For a freight house to have that many truck bays points to a fairly large city delivery operation. I sort of lean toward one of the larger southern cities like Memphis or Birmingham. Anyone know what the Memphis and B'ham freight houses looked like??

    Tom G.
     
  7. Coonskin

    Coonskin Member

    Sort of looks like Muskogee, OK. I don't have a quick reference photo handy, but that's my first impression.
     
  8. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    I thought it was Muskogee too at first but I have an old snapshot and the Muskogee's building windows are different. This building is very similar though.

    Tom G.
     
  9. Karl

    Karl 2008 Engineer of the Year Frisco.org Supporter

    The Frt House image has been the subject of a lengthy discussion on FB. Jerome Lutzenberger believes it to be Tulsa. I would go with that assessment.
     
  10. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    If the Tulsa Frisco Freight Depot is at 112 S Elgin Ave, then the depot in the attached photo is not the same building. The architecture is all wrong. With Google Earth, I have navigated on all sides of what is referred to as the Frisco Freight Depot in Tulsa and it does not match the picture.
     

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  11. pbender

    pbender Member Frisco.org Supporter

    If Keith's picture is a former Frisco freight house, then I would agree, that structure is not the one in the original photo.?.. Unless the two wings on the outside of the three window center section were additions....

    Now a question, could this freight depot be from a location most of us don't naturally associate with the Frisco.... I am thinking New Orleans or Houston, from the time when the gulf coast lines was under Frisco control.

    ( there is still a Frisco station standing in Crowley,LA. The historic marker recognizes that fact ).

    Paul
     
  12. FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018)

    FriscoFriend (Bob Hoover RIP 4/12/2018) Passed Away April 12, 2018 Frisco.org Supporter

    The second picture posted is the Santa Fe freight depot in Tulsa. In the final years of operation of "The Tulsan" streamliner the railroad got frustrated with the deteriorating condition of Tulsa Union Station and moved their passenger operations over here and had to perform a backing in move to access it. The last time I was by it several years ago it was so kind of professional office (I believe possibly a law office) and at least one short piece of track with a bumper post was still intact the backside of the building. According to the attached article it was actually referred to as the "Frisco Freight Depot" and why.

    http://www.tulsapreservationcommission.org/blog/index.pl?e=1062
     
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  13. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

    The second photo I posted does check out as the former Santa Fe freight house as Bob so astutely indicated.
     
  14. tmfrisco

    tmfrisco Member Frisco.org Supporter

    I have stayed out of this discussion because I believed that Keith's opening statement that this freight depot was not in Tulsa was correct, and I wanted to make a trip downtown to check out what is left of the building (which is not much, actually) to confirm that. While it is true that the general construction of this building is the same as the Tulsa freight depot, there are some differences. In this thread http://www.frisco.org/shipit/index.php?threads/tulsa-ok.440/#post-3271 (post #3, picture #5), you can see an overhead shot of the Union Depot with the freight depot east of the last bridge (Cincinnati Ave). The freight depot is the long building that extends two blocks west to east (Cincinnati to Elgin) with cars spotted on parallel tracks for easy unloading. Clearly, this building is much longer than the one in Keith's picture which would seem to rule out Tulsa as the answer. However, one can see what may have been an addition on the east half by what looks like a firewall at about where Detroit Ave. would have been. That addition possibility muddies the water somewhat. If Keith's picture is Tulsa, then the photo would have been made south west of the building across Cincinnati looking north east. The orientation of the building would be correct for Tulsa as the west end of the freight house was two stories for offices and was next to Cincinnati. So, I thought that maybe this shorter version existed prior to 1931 when the Union Depot was built along with the bridges over Cincinnati, Boston, Main, and Boulder with the addition being added later. However, when one compares Keith's picture with the picture in the thread I referenced the proportions of the two buildings don't seem to be the same. The over head picture of the freight house appears to show a longer two story section than Keith's picture which would rule out Tulsa, but I am not positive in that conclusion because the shots are of two different angles making a comparison difficult. If it seems that I am rambling and unable to make a decision, it is because I am guilty of both:confused:. There are similarities that would make a case for Keith's photo being Tulsa, but also differences which would rule it out. I have searched for historical data on the freight house in Tulsa, and to date have found nothing that would help answer this question. I will keep looking and if I find something I will add it to this thread. I will say that Keith has certainly opened a mystery, and I hope it can be solved.

    Terry Jankowski
     
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  15. gstout

    gstout Member Frisco.org Supporter

    According to my expert, not Memphis, either.

    GS
     
  16. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    An Oklahoma friend of mine thought it might be Sapulpa, he remembered it being a large building.

    Tom G.
     
  17. klrwhizkid

    klrwhizkid Administrator Staff Member Administrator Frisco.org Supporter

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  18. tmfrisco

    tmfrisco Member Frisco.org Supporter

    If you will look at pictures 1-5 on the same thread Keith mentioned, the wooden Frisco freight depot is shown. I agree that the brick building is a railroad structure, but I don't think it was a freight depot because there are no openings wide enough to unload railroad cars and load trucks. The narrow bricked over openings were obviously windows. I wonder if this was some sort of Frisco office building in Sapulpa.


    I suspect that Tom's friend is referring to the Frisco depot/Harvey House which sat between the Creek and Oklahoma Sub split. It was indeed a large building. This picture is found in the Sapulpa Depot thread in the Depot section: [​IMG]

    Also in that same thread, there is a series of maps of the Sapulpa area in 1928/9 which shows the placement of the wooden freight depot mentioned earlier.

    Terry Jankowski
     
  19. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    My buddy just threw Sapulpa out there, he didn't have a photos and only a vague remembrance. I think the mystery building has truck bays on the photographers side and the railroad tracks are on the other side.

    TG
     
  20. TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020)

    TAG1014 (Tom Galbraith RIP 7/15/2020) Passed Away July 15, 2020 Frisco.org Supporter

    I know we mentioned the Santa Fe freight depot at Tulsa but was the Frisco freight depot at Tulsa completely ruled out?

    TG
     

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